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[–] Socket462@feddit.it 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

What if an almighty God created the universe without evil, but with free-will, and then one angel decided to challange the way God rules, so that God has to let him rules to show everyone whose way of rule is the best?

Simply killing that angel would not answer the challenge, on the contrary, killing that angel would demonstrate that God is a dictator.

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[–] Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org 2 points 3 months ago

Still wouldn't answer why god doesn't interfer with evil. Why doesn't he help us against this angel? Heals sicknesses? Stops wars? Saves victims of murder and rape?

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[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (37 children)

There are many good arguments against God. This is not one of them.

It's a slightly more complicated version of whether God can create a rock so big he cannot lift it. Can God create a universe where I simultaneously have freewill and also don't have the ability to do anything outside his will (evil)? Can 0 equal 1? The answer to that question isn't yes/no, it's that the question is invalid. Freewill does not equal non-freewill. It'll confuse some unprepared Sunday School teacher, but that's it.

[–] Aoife@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Alright so your argument about free will only really adds up if you are an absolutist about free will. Imagine a perfect utopian paradise of a world. All are free to do whatever they want so long as it is not "evil." Your definition of evil can vary but presumably an omniscient god would have a pretty good idea of what that means. Rhe mwans of prevention xouls be literally anything, because y'know omnipotent and omniscient, including just creating people that simply do not have the capacity for evil. Would the people in that world not have free will? Just because there are some things they cannot do does not mean that in my eye. I can't fly or bite my own finger off or perceive and manipulate the fabric of the universe, does that mean I don't have free will? IMO the only way your position here is logically consistant is if you do take the absolutist position that in order to have free will you must be omnipotent yourself, otherwise there will always be things you cannot do.

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