this post was submitted on 05 Jul 2024
232 points (98.7% liked)

politics

19104 readers
3661 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
all 32 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] ptz@dubvee.org 151 points 4 months ago (4 children)

So taking boxes of classified documents, after your term as president is over, is official, presidential business?

I know his lawyers throw shit at the walls, but come on!

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 83 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It is Cannon after all; she'll probably buy it.

Yup. I guarantee the calculation in Cannon's chambers is, "Is this the Supreme Court telling us to go for it?," not "Is this an official act?".

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

*collude to allow it

FTFY

[–] RunningInRVA@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago

He obstructed justice when he didn’t return them as well.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Corruption is on the republican's side

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I really don’t think that the Supreme Court is concerned with the details. It’s official if they say it is.

Kings have divine right and cannot break the law.

[–] hypnoton@discuss.online 4 points 4 months ago

Judge Dredd also cannot break the law.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 69 points 4 months ago (2 children)

good bye, office of the presidency or whatever official name it had

welcome to the title of king of america

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Surely there's some new largely unsettled land we can sail to to escape persecution and form a functional democracy?

I guess that Antarctica will be pretty green soon with people like Trump running things so maybe that's an option.

[–] hypnoton@discuss.online 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Trump himself proposed a new and hilarious twist on MAGA in one of his speeches: "Make America Great And Glorious Again."

MAGAGA!

Can't wait to congratulate his excellency Dear Leader on his sense of humor. /s

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But could His Royal POTUS rock Kim's sweet fade

Sweet fade

[–] hypnoton@discuss.online 1 points 4 months ago

Dear Leader = Best Leader!

Best fade in history, and he never poops.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Full circle. Makes you wonder what the Declaration of Independence was for. And to Constitution... And like, a huge chunk of American history up til now. They should just go back under Charles. Say what you want about the royals, they do their job as well as a royal is meant to. Monarchies over large populations have their issues, but if this is where they want to head back to...

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm taking the juneflower to the new exoplanet colony first chance I get

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that might cover taking the documents, but retaining them... he was no longer president and therefore incapable of taking 'official' acts?

[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Look, Judge Cannon says you raise some good points too. We'll need some time for written briefs from each side. Due three months from now. Then we'll need time for written responses, at least another month. We'll schedule a few days of hearings to really hash through those details. And then she promises to think about it real hard, imply she'll dismiss the case immediately once the trial begins, but make no actual official ruling yet, that would be premature. Then we have this backlog of other issues to work through of course even though we never actually decided anything yet on this issue. What, you suggest we address these issues in parellel? How dare you speak to a judge in this way, you are being inappropriate!! These issues that have been ruled on many times in the past by other courts as a routine matter are totally novel and demand years of study before a trial can begin!

Etc etc etc

If he doesn't win the election and just fire half the justice department next January, she may just push the trial date so far Trump dies of natural causes before it even happens.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

For the record, I imagine he could die any day now. His exercise regimen is driving around in a golf cart pretending to play golf, yelling at staff and scarfing McDonald’s hamberders.

(Yes. Hamberders count as exercise.)

[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

There's somewhat of a myth in the medical field, that nice patients will have something terrible and are doomed, but cantankerous patients will somehow stay alive through pure channeled hate.

But yes with all the hamberders you would think. And he's 78, only about 2.5 years younger than Biden. According to actuary tables, roughly 5.3% chance of dying in the next year (7.1% for Biden).

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But yes with all the hamberders you would think. And he’s 78, only about 2.5 years younger than Biden. According to actuary tables, roughly 5.3% chance of dying in the next year (7.1% for Biden).

I suspect if you had his actual medical records you would find his chances are significantly higher. he's not exactly lived a a clean lifestyle. His diet is absolute dogshit (Pizza, burgers, shoe-leather steak with ketchup. Light on the greens.) he lacks any meaningufl excercise (he golfs; but mostly he drives around in a golf cart and hops out for a quick swing... when he's actually 'playing' at all. Mostly he gets the course staff to cheat for him.) He's obese, too.

we know that the WH doctor during Trump's presidency was handing out hard drugs like candy; and he probably did more than his share of coke. (and no, I don't mean the diet coke...)

The only reason he's still alive, probably, is access to amazing medical care. (which he mostly ignores...)

Biden's diet is better, he's active. he's not obese. and he has that same medical care.

[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Oh absolutely, those numbers are extremely rough and not specific to any person. Nothing like being rich to help extend your life. And things can just be unfair sometimes too. Some people do seemingly everything wrong health wise and got very lucky, and some do everything right and get unlucky. I would be surprised if Biden didn't live longer than Trump.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's not really a myth... It's a sith legend. The Jedi won't teach it.

That being said, my grandma's sister is the most vile, racist, nationalist, evil hateful woman I have ever met. She lives off her dead husband's veteran benefits, social security and Medicare. Never worked a day in her life. She's survived pneumonia, colon cancer, pneumonia again, first wave COVID, second wave COVID, more cancer. She's in her nineties. Outlived 3 of her children, and dropped all contact with a fourth.

Sometimes I really think about it, and realize the dark side is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Spite can keep you going when nothing else will

[–] hypnoton@discuss.online 2 points 4 months ago

Not giving a fuck is one way to lower stress. Poorly processed stress is a cause of illness and a lifetime pattern of badly processed stress can cause chronic illnesses. Stress doesn't have to have bad effects if it's processed well by the organism.

There are many different ways to be a bad person, not all of them reduce stress, or improve the ability to process stress, but conceivably some ways could do either or both.

That's my hypothesis.

[–] el_twitto@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

That motherfucker wasn't even president at the time.

[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago

“Citing a denial of the very idea of law, Trump’s lawyers seek to state that Trump didn’t break the law”

[–] Beaver@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

The lies Trump tells is a distraction

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 2 points 4 months ago

Donald Trump has asked a federal judge to freeze the classified documents case against him in light of a Supreme Court ruling this week that said former presidents have broad immunity from prosecution.

I love that it says former presidents, not presidents in general. I also remember the ruling saying that it was immunity for things that fall within the Presidents "official duties", of which Roberts gave Trump's team two examples (pardons and AG/DOJ). I wouldn't call that "broad immunity". This very well could be something that Roberts and his co-conspirators had in mind for the "presumptive immunity" type of act though, and the fun part is they didn't define it so they get to rule if it does/doesn't, super!

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Citing Supreme Court immunity ruling, Biden's scientists seek to freeze the classified documents case's defendant in the Antarctic borehole.