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[–] Saff@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No way he gets a seat. Sainz isn’t exactly swimming with offers and he’s far better than Ocon imo.

[–] Saezher@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sainz being far better is commonly accepted... But I have to say that there is no evidence.

I am not a F1 fan anymore, so I guess my judgement gets objectivity. (I hope at least).

There are tons of drivers that we use to compare, without a single solid clue to do so (except when there are team mates of course ). Sainz last performances gave him some consideration within the paddock. Some months ago, he seemed however lost on the track. When it's time to compare drivers, I would say that Sainz, gasly, Ocon, Albon, Russel, piastri, tsunoda are more or less the same performance level. From time to time it varies, depending on many factors, including the cars' pace.

If we put them on the same car, on several tracks, we may be able to order them ... But this will never occur. That is why I get rid of F1. This is a car championship, but all the fame and blames go to the drivers.

[–] Saff@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You have to remember that unfortunately just being quick isn’t the only thing that makes a good driver. Them having fans brings a lot of money to a team, and then staying out of trouble on the track also saves them a lot. I think as an entire package Sainz is much more valuable to a team than Ocon is. Maybe that’s just because Ocon isn’t popular in my circle of friends though!

[–] Saezher@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Youre 100% right. But I am not sure that Sainz have been cleaner than Ocon in his whole carrier. I mean, there are pilots whom each incident is a drama, and other that seem to go over long term critics. When a pilot reaches a top team, I think we tend to forget that they also use to be dirty sometimes. Recent results priors over the whole carrier performance imo. (But I may be wrong, I am not a fanboy at all).

Ironically, Sainz is not very popular in my circle of friends ;). I just tend to defend Ocon, as he clearly suffers form some (french?) bashing, while stroll or magnussen are more mocked. For me, he is just a good pilot among these good pilots, with pros and cons.

But before trashing on these valuable pilots, let's get rid of the ones that do not have any pace :

  • Stroll
  • Sargent
  • Riccardo (seems exhausted)
  • Zhou ? Bottas ? Magnussen ? ;)
[–] darganon@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Every time I hear or see about Esteban Ocon he is either getting into it with a teammate, or holding up someone faster with good traction out of a braking zone. I will not miss him.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

With both Bearman and Kimi more or less confirmed for F1 next year according to rumours the amount of seats available is shrinking fast, but I also think we'll see lots of departures. Presumably Sergeant is out, as is one or both of Zhou and Bottas. I would be very surprised if Ricciardo manages to cling to a seat, and I could see Magnussen going too, possibly.

Ocon is alright in terms of speed, but his teammate track record is going to be against him and he also doesn't bring any sponsors as far as I know. I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up without a seat, but I can also definitely see him going to Haas or maybe Williams.

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Wait, Kimi is back?!? What?

Edit: Ok, we all know there is only one Kimi, but there is apparently a second one now: Kimi Antonelli. Can we just call him Kimi B?

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 6 points 5 months ago

Wait, Kimi is back?!? What?

If only he was, I miss him. Even though he was kinda checked out going back as far as almost what, 2009?

Can we just call him Kimi B?

Would be funny since his last name starts with A.

[–] GreatRam@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

His first name is Andrea so we could just call him that lol