Lower class: must work continuously
Middle class: has leisure time available, can take breaks from work, but must work to maintain their lifestyle
Upper class: work is optional, can maintain their lifestyle indefinitely without ever working.
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Nah.
There's people pulling in over a million a year, and just blowing it all almost immediately.
They're upper class, but they can't live that life and not work.
There's people with millions in the bank, but live a middle class life and never stop grinding.
"Class" isn't just about wealth. You need a minimum amount of wealth to move up, but there's people who live a lower class life with the money to move up if they wanted, and there are people with an upper class lifestyle but it's because they make terrible financial decisions and everything is overleveraged and they have a shit ton of debt.
Lifestyle creep is a real thing.
There’s people with millions in the bank, but live a middle class life and never stop grinding.
They are choosing to do that though.
Maybe this is the true meaning of lacking class.
Some of that isn't a choice. I know Bond traders that make millions a year, but are constantly overextended financially because, really, they are addicts. They have to take risks at all times... It's a compulsion like any other addiction.
That is completely irrelevant in this context.
How is it irrelevant? If you are going to be so dismissive, you could at least use a "because" followed by reasoning... Otherwise i will dismiss your conclusion as flawed... Because at this point it is.
Every possible choice will have an exception for someone who have a mental health disorder that keeps them from being able to make a choice. Your example is an irrelevant outlier that does not contradict the reality that 99.99% of people in the same position can make the choice
Your assumption and conclusion is incorrect based on my experience. Why do you think people with personality disorders disproportionately populate executive positions in corporations? Why are sociopaths great surgeons? Look at rates of alcoholism and suicide amongst professions, and then tell me if those rates support your conclusion that mental health issues amongst those who make money is an outlier.
I would argue anybody who outspends their capabilities is not upper class, because they're obligated to continue working.
Like Nicholas Cage, made more money than most people ever see in their entire lives 40 times over, but spent more than he had. And therefore must do films. His burn rate is quite high. If you were to stop working, he could not maintain his lifestyle.
Where I will agree with you, is access to the political class, and the leadership class in different societies. The UK has examples of skint toffs that have a title, but no money attached to it, but by virtue of their family they have access to the leadership and political class. Most people, can leverage that, to make enough money to support their lifestyle, but there are ones who can't.
Like Nicholas Cage, made more money than most people ever see in their entire lives 40 times over, but spent more than he had. And therefore must do films. His burn rate is quite high. If you were to stop working, he could not maintain his lifestyle.
Right...
Dude can't stop working, because he can't stop buying literal castles.
If he stopped, his lifestyle would change greatly.
But hed still be considered upper class to 99.999% of people by modern definitions. Because to a normal person owning triple digit castles makes no sense and they'd just sell them and retire.
It's lifestyle creep to an extreme example.
Most people, can leverage that, to make enough money to support their lifestyle, but there are ones who can’t.
I really had high hopes for that Gentleman show, but it just wasn't that great.
Exactly what you're talking about about though.
The way upper/middle/lower gets split up depends where you're at on the spectrum
Pretty much everyone (even Blanchet) view themselves as "middle class" because no matter how much wealth/power they have, chances are in social situations the people they interact with are half higher and half lower.
Even world leaders spend a lot of time with other world leaders.
Most powerful person in their country, but spends time with people in the same position but for a larger/wealthier/more powerful country.
It's just basic psychology, we evaluate if we have "enough" by what the people next to us have. Give a kid a candy bar and they're happy till you give the next kid 10, suddenly the first stops thinking of themselves as "candy rich" and start thinking theyre "candy broke".
We look at Blanchets haul of candy and think it's insane amount, but we have so little shed never even think to compare herself to us. We're outside her frame of reference for what "enough" candy is. And she assumes it's just a little less so we're kind of close.
I broadly agree with you. But the reason lifestyle is the metric I use, is because it transitions between economies.
Somebody living in a subsistence economy, in an undeveloped part of the world, would see the average Australian household income as an absolute positive boon that nobody could possibly attain. relative to this person, all of Australia is wealthy beyond compare.
When you factor in cost of living, maintaining that lifestyle, it tends to shuffle out in terms of how long somebody can support themselves without working.
Nicholas Cage apparently finished paying off the insane tax debts he owed back from 2009 so he has said he will be more selective in roles.
That upper class definition needs a little adjustment:
Remove 'their lifestyle' and replace with 'a comfortable luxury-filled lifestyle'.
Compared to the circles she moves in, yeah she's middle class. When you hobnob with the richest people on earth and you're only personally worth a couple-hundred million dollars, I can see how you'd think of yourself as middle class.
I also think of myself as middle class. Just not quite as middle class as she is. 😁
Perspective is funny, huh?
As an aside to this article: I have seen some people defending Blanchett's comments, arguing that she is indeed middle class in an Australian context because of our link to the UK. They argued that in the UK, Blanchett would be considered middle class as she is neither nobility/landed gentry, nor working class, and that this same definition applies in Australia. I am curious what other Australians make of this argument.
Yeah nah.
I'll add my 2 metric cents
Ppffffffff bs
I'm not from the commonwealth but I find that argument archaic, the modern definition of middle class has nothing to do with nobility.
Modern society doesn't really have a class system. If Care Blanchett turned up to the local cafe she would join the queue. However, her wealth means her driver probably would instead.
I don't consider her .middle class any more but she herself does, probably as that's how she sees herself from growing up and her values/upbringing. Shes just fortunate enough to now be incredibly wealthy too.
Fairly certain I seen her introduced as queen in several documentaries
/s
I couldn't resist.
Fortunately she did resist, and so she will diminish and fade into the West.
Could have had queen beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the earth!
Well Sauran is literally doing wonders for his community. Number 1 in industry!
It's the same way the bourgeois were "middle class" before the French revolution.
They were the 1%, just not the 0.1%
Everyone else was so much poorer, that they got lumped together whether they lived on the streets or had steady work and a home and could support a family comfortably.
So in a way, yeah, she's right.
She's the 1%, but because wealth inequality is so out of hand again, that's kind of middle class again.
When people hear "middle class" it's easy to think "average" but that's not how it's being used.
It's more about wealth distribution when used like she's using it.
When you start bringing "royalty" into it, no amount of money gets you into that demographic. You could have more money than a duke, but you're still not a duke. At least unless the king/queen starts selling titles again.
At that point it becomes less about wealth, and more about legal power.
She bougie as fuck by any definition, but there's a way to view what she said as rational, you just got to think of it like you're a world famous millionaire who still isn't at the top of the food chain. Miles ahead of any random person, but she doesn't hang out with random people, in the crowds she runs in, she's middle of the pack.
Circus staffed by grade D clowns