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[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

You get a middle of the road lukewarm candidate.

Genocide support is not lukewarm nor middle of the road. It's entirely unacceptable. You might be willing to compromise over the deliberate starvation and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people, I'm not and literally nothing you say can make me "come round" to the idea that a little genocide is ok to save my own skin.

And now we get that and a complete crazypants candidate.

Because people like you allow democrats to continue getting away with dircing ineffectual, right-wing politics under the excuse that there are only two oarties, therefore we tye voters work for the politicians instead of vice versa.

Your politics are los8ng us our democracy. Time to stop.

So, it was a fairly coherent response.

No. It wasn't. It was literally that they had no otger defense for their political position than "If you're not neoliberal/right-wing you're a rusdian bot". It's incoherent because Biden will lose this election, people making excuses for him and the political strategy that landed ys in this situation are the ones who are more likely sock puppets and trolls.

[–] Gwaer@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

yeah, cause Donald trump doesn't support genocide too.

There's no discussion here. You get one or the other.

No amount of not voting changes the result to the point where you aren't getting Trump or Biden.

With trump you lose the progress people have fought for. With Biden you get status quo bullshit. At least the status quo preserves the efforts of the past people can still build on in the future. It's a non argument. Every one of your points is irrelevant for this election right now.

So I guess we gotta realize you're just a bot after all. This election matters. Every election matters. But progress isn't only made during major presidential elections, there's plenty of ways to keep moving the needle outside of this. I won't be wasting further time with you. But hopefully people reading don't fall into the same trap you have or are paid to present.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Don't forget: if we get Trump and manage to continue to have elections, the DNC can and will throw up an even shittier pro-corporate, center-right candidate against Trump and still claim the high ground.

[–] Gwaer@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I love this. It's a perfect example. If we manage to continue having elections is on the ballet. It's actually in question.

The other side being crap is completely irrelevant at that point. It's absurd that I of all people am telling you to vote for Joe Biden, who I don't agree with about anything. I think Bernie was too to the right for me personally.

Do there need to be fundamental changes? Absolutely, when you can't vote for anyone at all it's going to be much harder to affect the change you want.

[–] knightly@pawb.social -1 points 3 months ago

I disagree.

An end to the farce that is democracy in America would actually make it easier to affect change, because we wouldn't be wasting time yelling at each other to vote anymore and could actually focus on direct action.

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