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[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (10 children)

Unfortunately, it is, yeah. Inflation and a rising cost of living leaves many citizen with not much choice, but to believe that their situation will improve, if we just stop accepting immigrants and stop helping out Ukraine and stop fighting climate change and whatever else there is.

Of course, the actual solution would be getting more money into poor people's pockets.
Politicians without morals will rather risk a Fourth Reich, though, because the actual solution is hard, not just for them but also their sponsors.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (9 children)

A government that doesn't care about the plight of its own people obviously cares about people in Ukraine even less. The solution would indeed be to start addressing the cost of living crisis that was caused by the war, and the first step towards that is to end the war which the current government is vehemently opposed to doing. Of course, when right wingers ultimately get in power, nothing is going to get better, so dark times ahead for Germany.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (6 children)

The war did not contribute much to the cost of living here. We now have to import natural gas from different nations, and apparently Ukraine was the #1 supplier of sunflower seeds, but that's mostly it.
The cost of living mainly rose due to a housing bubble and inflation. And of course, you've got lots of individuals that lost their livelihood from COVID lockdowns, post-COVID chronic fatigue and climate-related catastrophes.

I also have no idea what you mean by the current government being opposed to ending the war. They don't want to invade Russia to defeat Putin, no one here wants to try that. But unlike the far right, they are in favor of supporting Ukraine to hold Putin off.
If your idea of ending the war is giving Putin half of Ukraine and hoping he's then satiated, I do not see how that should work. It's not like Russia needs more territory. Putin started this war, because he's mentally ill. He will start another war in a few years, if this one is "ended" by sacrificing Ukraine, because he will still be mentally ill.

[–] PeteBauxigeg@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well it wouldn't be half of Ukraine, it would be about 20% by area and less than that by population.

Its worth noting the fighting for Ukraine to keep that 20% is done involuntarily. People are literally being forced to die, make their partners widows, traumatise their family, for this 20%.

It's easy enough sacrificing hundreds of thousands of other people's lives (I'm assuming you're not typing this from the donbas) for this small rural farming end of Ukraine, but that doesn't make it right.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I deliberately chose a high number, because I'm saying there's no reason this would satiate Putin. He has no need for those 20% land. Why should he stop when he gets them?

[–] PeteBauxigeg@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If he would restart the war, why is he pushing for peace talks?

The war is both going worse than people expected it to go for him, and Russia is also making progress.

Stopping the war, then restarting it risks a restarting of the war being impossible due to Ukraine signing security treaties with NATO members, and Ukraine building it's army up as a result of this war. Furthermore, given rolling the "invade Ukraine dice" went worse for Russia the first time than expected, why would they, or any similarly inclined nation, do it?

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