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Hey democrats, try plugging the hole.
This is honestly the perfect microcosm of liberal thought. Just continuously posting low effort shitposts that literally state in the meme how ineffective and in-bed with fascists liberals are.
We have OP coming into the comments acting like a holier than thou liberal, repeating the same vapid bullshit over and over.
Meanwhile, Democrats just keep dumping one little bucket at a time as the boat gets lower and lower while screaming in tears at the guy trying to find the fucking life raft.
“And fuck no, I’m not voting for you in November”
Liberals in fucking hysterics throwing a tantrum about why leftists comprising 1% of the vote don’t like their blue MAGA instead of targeting the 60% republican vote with actual popular policy
Lmao fuck liberals, y’all deserve to lose.
“There is no genocide in Gaza”
It's the over-the-top sarcasm and insincere indignation that galls me
Then they'll inevitably try claiming that yea, it'd be nice if we had someone with better politics but NOW'S NOT THE TIME TO MAKE A FUSS
Yeah, how dare those uppity minorities get agitated over the prospect of becoming legally second-class citizens or outright murdered. If only we knew our place, quietly accepting the Principled Stand of the Privileged in our honor!
Yeah, I've never denied the sarcasm. Sorry that you find tone policing more important than genocide.
Idk really seems like a stretch too suggest your impassioned defenses of the guy supporting the genocide is an indication of your outrage
"Wow, I don't understand how you can defend the guy who doesn't want to commit genocide in the US, and is less gung-ho about the ongoing genocide in Gaza than the opposition?"
It's weird. I know, I should apparently support all genocide, everywhere, as often as possible, to be a good leftist according to these new standards, but for some reason, I keep gravitating towards the "Let's not start up death camps in the US and run sorties over the West Bank and ensure as many Ukrainians are murdered as possible" option.
Very strange, I know, seemingly incomprehensible to the Very Serious Leftist Brigade here on Lemmy.
What's strange is that the totally-different-and-very-cool party keeps finding themselves in situations wherein they're totally forced into committing atrocities themselves, but end up being OK because somehow there's someone worse right behind them
And it's never actually their fault because there's just too many people who support their totally unavoidable atrocities and if they don't do them they'll lose to the totally-worse-and-different monster party
And the people who totally oppose the atrocities have no choice but to support the party conducting the atrocities because if they don't, more atrocities will be done by the totally different and bad party and maybe actually against them and not the faceless foreigners they can forget about
So strange
Yes, definitely, what's going on is the Democratic Party decided to commit atrocities out of the blue. This definitely isn't a long-standing US policy that was, until very recently, widely supported on all sides of the electorate. Wow, it's a good thing politics are something simple that Manicheans with short attention spans can learn by half-paying attention to news reels for a month, otherwise we'd really be fucked, wouldn't we?
Sorry that the idea of democracy reflecting the opinions of the majority is so alien to you. I understand autocracy might be more your speed.
So it's acceptable to support genocide as long as it's a majority opinion? Are we morally relativistic now? It's that what's happening?
I'm sorry, do you think that candidates for election should be supporting opinions that the majority opposes? Is that where we're at? The point of democracy is to reflect the will of the people; if you don't like the will of the people, it's your job, as a dissenter, to try to change it. The idea that candidates in a democratic system should be running on platforms that say "To hell with what the people think" is some really absurd Soviet style shite.
Oh my god were so close buddy, let's bring it home
What's the correct course of action for dissenters? I'm doubting that it's whipping votes for the candidate you're dissenting against but you seem like an expert so I'll ask you
So you're saying supporting the Palestinian genocide is the will of the people, and as such Biden should continue doing it? Is that the real take here? Was the disgust with genocide the fake indignation I thought it was?
Protest, for one. Which is ongoing.
Haven't we already been over this? Limited choices, mass support, lesser evil, all that jazz?
No, I'm saying that support for the Palestinian genocide remains widespread, and thus the idea that a politician with a realistic-but-narrow-shot at being elected should suddenly, and without consultation of popular opinion, reverse the stance, or else you'll vote for the one who wants MORE genocide, is deeply unserious at best. As voters in the minority, we cannot realistically expect our opinions to be represented by candidates who must win the vote of the majority.
I would be deeply upset at the prospect of voting for someone who thought that gay rights didn't matter, but if you ask me who to vote for in 1948, I'm sure as shit not going to make any decision that puts Strom Thurmond in office no matter how badly I want to make a protest vote.
In your opinion, what does protest look like? Is it flowery parades, or are they loud and threatening? It's there an implication of disobedience, or is it accompanied by the reassurance that you'll still support them if the protest fails?
I'm not talking about how you're actually voting, I'm talking about what you're doing right now.
A- were not talking about voting for the opposition, we're talking about not supporting Biden, and while I realize that's the same thing to you it is not the same thing to tens of millions of infrequent or undecided voters who will sooner not vote for Biden than vote for Trump
B- I think the suggestion that Biden's stance on israel has ever been based on popular opinion is itself deeply unserious, but it also makes Biden himself seem deeply unserious for doing something so goddamn depraved just because he thinks it'll make him more popular.
I have zero expectation that my opinion will be represented by Biden or the dems, but not because I think they're unpopular (they're not) or because I withhold my vote (it won't). But I expect that by highlighting the depravity of electoral bullshit I might create enough discontent that one or two people get off their ass and join a socialist organization, and that's worth it.
Yes, yes, we get it, you find the idea of American minorities being murdered thrilling, and support all the aid to Israel Trump can muster. You can stop crowing about it from the top of every roof.
Are we forgetting that biden is currently the president and loves genocide so much that he refuses to stop supporting it, even though it's costing him votes? If the best you can offer is "not the other guy" then all you're telling us is that things will get worse no matter what.
Oh, okay, I didn't realize the protection of minority rights was 'things getting worse', thanks for the self-report, I guess.
I guess you love genocide. Thanks for the self-report.
For trying to stop as much of it as possible? Weird definition of love, but considering you spend all your time working towards ensuring as many Palestinians are killed as possible, I shouldn't be surprised.
'It's literally impossible for Biden to stop supporting the genocide'
Oh fuck I had no idea
It is, for all reasonable intents and purposes, that someone other than Biden or Trump is going to win the election, an untimely death or other health crisis excluded. Thus, you are choosing between the two. Refusing to choose is saying that you support whichever of them wins.
But hey, don't let me take away from your excitement at seeing more Palestinians dead under a Trump regime, to say nothing of American minorities (but fuck them anyway, right?)
Maybe if you vote hard enough Biden will hear about it and decide to reward your effort by trying to stop it himself
Maybe if you vote third party hard enough, Trump will decide you're One Of The Good Ones, and let you sit on his lap as you livestream the genocide in the West Bank together.
Sending billions in weapons and denying any genocide is going on is a funny way of trying to stop genocide.
I didn't realize I had billions in weapons to send, or that I was denying the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Thanks for teaching me so much about myself. Without white leftists to tell me what to think, I don't know what I'd do.
You're being intentionally obtuse. We were talking about biden but you changed the subject to yourself because you somehow think feigning stupidity is a great argument tactic.
Also, you're assuming my race, and incorrectly at that. Regardless, why don't you try listening to the many Arab Americans on this issue or are they too white for you? In reality, you're just bringing up minorities as a shield for your support for genocide. Honestly it's disgusting.
Yes, and what will happen if Biden loses. Genocide. Which you don't give a fuck about.
I have. This may surprise you, but Arab Americans are not a monolith marching lockstep with your plan to see as many American minorities killed as possible.
How dare I bring up my own life as a shield to defend the awful crime of [checks notes] seeing as few people murdered as possible.
If I were truly enlightened, I would be calling for as many minorities to be murdered as possible, and for fascists to be put in power. Apparently, that's what True Leftism(tm) consists of, according to the geniuses on here.
What is happening right now? That's right, genocide, which you don't care about because you refuse to accept the possibility of ending it. So not only are you jumping around subjects, you're projecting.
You'll find the proportion of Arab Americans supporting genocide rather low. In fact, that would be the case with all races, but you're the one who brought up race in the first place, treating minorities as a monolith to suit your needs. There you go projecting again.
You know what would result in the fewest people murdered as possible? Not supporting genocide. Ah, but the truly enlightened liberal must enjoy genocide every once in a while, as a treat.
"You don't care about genocide because you want the less genocide-supporting option to win"
Bold move of me, here I thought if I wanted more genocide, I would ensure that the MORE genocide-supporting option succeeded, like you are.
And what about the proportion of Arab Americans voting Biden, since that's what's at hand?
Oh, cool, which of the two realistic options for president is going to do that?
Oh? Neither, so you're going to acquiesce to the one who wants to do as much genocide as possible?
Damn, I didn't realize genocide was left praxis now.
It seems the idea of stopping genocide is too much for your big liberal brain to handle. Instead we have to guarantee votes to someone who full-throatedly supports genocide, denies it's happening, and is deep throating the far-right netanyahu. Of course, liberals helping fascists is actual liberal praxis.
lmao, imagine working to get the candidate who Netanyahu openly adores elected, and thinking you're working against him. Big brain moment, simping for the Israeli far-right while pretending to be leftist.
So netanyahu adores trump and biden adores netanyahu. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
lol
If he doesn't then why did he get so mad when the ICC called for his arrest? Why does he supply him with billions in weapons to carry out his campaign of genocide? Why does he deny genocide in defense of him?