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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

i mean, yeah it is complex. It's fucking war.

War isn't simple. Let alone war with history, and multiple decades, coming up to a century worth of history soon.

This war is the kindergarten equivalent of "no i said it first"

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 weeks ago

It being a war doesn't negate the simple conclusion that it is a genocide. If you have reason to deny that, you should provide proper reasoning rather than the hand wavy "it's a war, surely it has to be complex!". There are complex aspects to a war that do not negate the simplicity of classifying it as a genocide. The conclusion is simple due to the mountains of undeniable evidence.

It being a war doesn’t negate the simple conclusion that it is a genocide.

not inherently, but it being a genocide doesn't also automatically include the whole of the war.

Ever notice how literature on the holocaust mostly talks about the fact that the germans murdered like what? 13 million people, i couldn't tell you off the top of my head, rather than how germany uses military tactics to their advantage. And fails at them.

Also contextually, genocide should be used in past tense. You think the jews under nazi regime were bitching about the mass homicide? Nah they were busy getting the fuck out of germany so they weren't fucking murdered.

Ironically, it's a pretty fucking first world problem to be able to sit here and complain and cry about genocide that isn't even happening to you. But presumably happening to another party, whom we've deemed the recipient of it, presumably ignoring the entire history of this conflict so far. As well as the fact that it's hard to determine any real numbers on this, considering it's literally a war.

Why aren't people complaining about russia genociding their soliders? They're doing the same fucking thing! This is arguably worse than israel palestine right now because these are the countries own fucking people.

The reason i said "its a war, it's complex" is because i'd literally be here for 3 fucking hours, typing until i hit the world limit multiple fucking times just to iterate my point once. Forgive me if i'm being a little brief here.

Like don't get me wrong, i get it, i'm not a huge fan of the fact that we're sending material to an ally who is using it effectively murder without consequence. Only to be brushed off by our leadership, i would think complaining about the fact that we're doing this shit, rather than the fact that what we're doing is enabling another independent entity to murder thousands of people every day, or whatever the stat is.

This is like being a friend of someone who's experiencing an abusive relationship, and instead of telling them directly, you bitch at their abusive partner directly, expecting that to make them treat your friend better? Somehow?

There are complex aspects to a war that do not negate the simplicity of classifying it as a genocide. The conclusion is simple due to the mountains of undeniable evidence.

also linguistically, you literally cannot classify a war as a genocide. That's not fucking possible, this is like classifying a car as a boat. A war can include genocide, as demonstrated ever so lovingly by the germans during that one world war. They are two distinct parts of a collective whole here.

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