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"Unlikely Trump will ever be tried for the crimes he committed," says ex-Judge J. Michael Luttig

It’s not a hard question, or at least it hasn’t been before: Does the United States have a king – one empowered to do as they please without even the pretext of being governed by a law higher than their own word – or does it have a president? Since Donald Trump began claiming he enjoys absolute immunity from prosecution for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election, two courts have issued rulings striking down this purported right, recognizing that one can have a democracy or a dictatorship, but not both.

We cannot accept former President Trump’s claim that a President has unbounded authority to commit crimes that would neutralize the most fundamental check on executive power – the recognition and implementation of election results,” states the unanimous opinion of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, issued this past February, upholding a lower court’s take on the question. “Nor can we sanction his apparent contention that the Executive has carte blanche to violate the rights of individual citizens to vote and have their votes cast.”

You can’t well keep a republic if it’s effectively legal to overthrow it. But at  oral arguments last week, conservative justices on the Supreme Court – which took up the case rather than cosign the February ruling – appeared desperate to make the simple appear complex. Justice Samuel Alito, an appointee of former President George W. Bush, argued that accountability was what would actually lead to lawlessness.

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[–] ebc@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago (8 children)

He didn't say Dems are Republicans, he said they're conservatives. Not the same thing. However, Republicans are conservatives too.

[–] EsheLynn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago (7 children)

And yet, it wasn't explained how Democrats are conservatives, whatever that means. I just hear Republicans are conservative, now this one rando is saying Dems are conservative, what does that even mean, anymore? What does democrat or republican mean if they are being accused of being the same? How are they the same?

[–] ebc@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Just to define the term: Conservative = right of center on the political spectrum.

That "rando" meant that Democrats, which are considered "left" in the US, are actually pretty far towards the right by most other countries' standards. This is due to the Overton window shifting pretty far towards the right in the US in recent years.

Republicans are just even further towards the right.

[–] EsheLynn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

In lay terms, without referring to graphics, what does that mean? ELI5, please? People keep saying left and right like it means something.

[–] ebc@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago

Man, you're in a politics community, left and right is like basic knowledge. I'm happy to educate, but did you even google it? If not, do that first and then I'll be happy to help clear stuff up, but please put in at least a little bit of effort.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

From Wikipedia:

Left-wing politics typically involve a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished

Also from Wikipedia:

Right-wing politics are considered the counterpart to left-wing politics, and the left–right political spectrum is one of the most widely accepted political spectrums.[16] The right includes social conservatives and fiscal conservatives[17][18][19] as well as right-libertarians. "Right" and "right-wing" have been variously used as compliments and pejoratives describing neoliberal, conservative, and fascist economic and social ideas.

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