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[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 53 points 9 months ago (32 children)

Fun fact: George Takei himself complained that Sulu is portrait gay in the new movies. He said that even tho he himself is gay, he always played Sulu as a straight guy. But why would the headcanon of an actor be more important than any other

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 11 points 9 months ago (17 children)

To be fair, John Cho played Sulu straight until it was revealed that he was gay. And even then, there wasn't much gayness to his acting. Unless you count bringing a sword to a skydiving phaser fight, but I'd consider that more bad ass than gay.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

And even then, there wasn’t much gayness to his acting.

Care to elaborate?

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What is there to elaborate? Other than a brief embrace shown on screen, he didn't appear to play the role in any stereotypical gay manner. That's all...

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why would the character be a stereotype?

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I didn't say he was. That's the entire point. They briefly showed some gay characteristics on screen, but otherwise he just played the character plainly.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website -5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, he played the character like a real person (who lives in space and brings a sword to a skydiving phaser fight) and not a caricature.

I'm assuming you don't believe all gay men are stereotypes from 1980s comedies?

So, unless you were expecting there to be hardcore man on man penetrative sex on screen, what would "gayness" to John Cho's acting mean?

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not playing this game. You're obviously looking for a confrontation. You'll have to find someone else to play with.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website -5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not looking for a confrontation, I just want to know what "gayness in acting" means, and why it is apparently a problem.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I never said it was a problem. You're trying to make a problem where none exists. I'm not playing this game. Have a nice day.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website -5 points 9 months ago

You’re trying to make a problem where none exists.

Again, I'm only trying to figure out what you meant when you said:

And even then, there wasn’t much gayness to his acting.

Because it sounds pretty ignorant.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He wasn't a Hollywood camp gay stereotype character.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why would anyone think he would be?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Because usually when Hollywood includes a gay character they're doing it to villainize them, make fun of them, or show them off to cynically virtue-signal diversity. Having a character that's just a normal character who happens to be gay, without making a big deal about it or using it as a plot point, is rare.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 1 points 9 months ago

Having a character that’s just a normal character who happens to be gay, without making a big deal about it or using it as a plot point, is rare.

I don't know if that's as true even in 2016 when the movie came out, as it once was.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 3 points 9 months ago

Someone didn't read the Hays Code or anything. He didn't die (kill your gays trope), he's not portrayed as a "for ever" bachelor (but has a same sex partner, very ungay). Only thing is crossdressing. He wears the same standard uniform that women do in Starfleet.

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