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Obviously, this isn't ideal. But this isn't as damning as some of the other commenters believe.
The way reddit operates, is that they are "trusted" with all our data. They can (and do), sell any data they like, to whomever they like. They store much more information than simply who upvoted what. They can't simply allow upvotes with no claimant, they'd have no way of stopping or identifying bots or illegitimate upvotes.
This system is not ideal, but it's also not necessarily worse. We're still operating under that system, the only real difference is, we get to choose who that trusted party is. We get to move instances if the hosters interests become misaligned with our own.
Ultimately, there needs to be a smart solution to this problem to ensure it's not abused. We can't completely remove collection of the data, otherwise upvotes will be meaningless and hijacked by agendas. We can't simply encrypt the data, if there's a genuine use for it (which we've discussed), who SHOULD be allowed to decrypt it?
I completely understand the concern, and I share it. But this isn't an issue so much with Lemmy, it's an issue with upvotes on distributed social media.
Edit: Okay, ANY instance admin is where the issue lies. That much I agree with.
I think that the best solution is probably "best practices" and defederatiom used to enforce some sort of minimal Code of Conduct wrt the actual mechanics of running an instance.
Otherwise, the only other way I could see to address this is to lump some data at the instance level. I.e. each instance simply reports a total of upvotes and downvotes from it's instance, and you just have to trust the instances to behave. There might be some checks to make sure the vote totals are plausible.
In reality, this will be the end of small instances. Only feasible way to enforce this is federation whitelists, and it will be very hard to get whitelisted. Not necessarily a bad thing in the big scheme of things when we weight the positives and negatives, but still sucks for anyone "self hosting" an instance.
True. Any random unverified instance could be set up just to harvest data from the Fediverse.