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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

The idea is that an anonymous armed insurgency is really hard to defeat.

The US army is very good at that. That’s the kind of conflict they’ve been fighting since Vietnam. If you think a distributed guerrilla army can stand against the US military on their own soil, you’re delusional.

I’m not talking about tanks and jets. That’s so last century. That’s not how wars are fought now. There’s just no way homegrown militias would have any hope against the US military in their midst. Ask anyone enlisted in any branch of the military. I promise they’ll tell you that’s a pipe dream.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)

You mean the military that's consistently failed to win those kind of conflicts?

The US military was driven out of Iraq and Afghanistan and that's with pretty much 100% troop loyalty. You start ordering the military to shoot Americans on American soil they won't even have that.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think you’re missing the point that it wouldn’t be a war, it would be a police action. The local national guards would shut that shit down quickly.

If you think your small arms could stand against the US military on its own turf, you’re hilariously mistaken. I get that you want to believe that’s what gives you your freedoms, but come on. Nobody who actually understands how that would play out takes those dreams seriously.

You have guns because they fulfill your fantasies, not because that’s in any way realistic.

[–] Bomber@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Objectively then, clearly 2A is deficient. The people need more arms to keep oppressive governments in check.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

No, the 2A wasn’t meant for individual people to keep arms for that reason. It was written before the US had any sort of army (and several of the founders were actually against a national standing army), with the point being each state would keep enough arms and accoutrements and train the people to be ready to be called up to defend their state.

It was meant to create something like what became the National Guard.

The Supreme Court changed that definition in 2002 with the Heller decision, so now it’s even further removed from its original meaning. I suppose that makes it deficient if you’re reading in an original meaning it never had in the first place.

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