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[–] 768@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Largely overlooked feature of overzoning, parking requirements and setback regulations are the economical opportunity cost - odd for the USA and its history of deregulation and neoliberalisation.

[–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 10 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I agree, it seems like it should be easy to convince libertarians and conservatives with deregulations, but exactly how to frame that argument is tricky.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

Deregulation would be a horrible idea, given the disasters that created over time. If we want town centers over suburbs, that’s a great goal, and zoning needs to support that. Zoning should be a tool for creating places we want to live.

I’m sure it helps that my town was built out before cars, but we have zoning encouraging denser housing near transit and near town centers, we have a great walkable “Main Street” with shops and restaurants, and parking in back. And we don’t have “stroads”

Fixing Bad zoning doesn’t mean throwing out zoning, it means revisit your end goals and ensure zoning supports them.

And yes we have sufficient parking for everyone. However we can get away with less parking by making walking and transit convenient; it doesn’t start by making things tough to get to

[–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I dont mean throw out zoning entirely, but reducing the way they promote single family housing only. I live in a county with a million people and 84% of the land is single family zoning only, I want to throw that bit out.

Also if done right you dont need to zoning for all those things. Transit development will drive denser, walkable areas all on its own if its legal to build those kinds of areas. All the city has to do it manage transit as these areas develop.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Zoning lets us banish hazardous or noisy industry from where people live, it lets us specify features like sidewalks and trees, it lets us size development appropriate to the area and to the infrastructure. It lets us protect society and future citizens by specifying minimum standards for health, safety, livability.

While it’s up to the market to decide, local government can’t abdicate its responsibility for shaping the market to best serve the citizens

[–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't disagree, but where I live zoning is a large part of the problem

The zoning in my area perpetuates unwalkable, uncyclable, parking lot infested sprawl, because single family houses take up 84% of the available land.

I don't want industry to move into neighborhoodseither , but I wouldn't mind commercial or retail, currently prohibited.

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