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[–] z00s@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (25 children)

OK, how?

Refuse to buy things? Live in a cardboard box?

[+] quindraco@lemmy.world -7 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Step 1: Think of a viable alternative.

No-one has yet achieved step 1, which makes subsequent steps harder. It's easy to get your hands on people who will answer with magical thinking, but a system that will actually work and isn't capitalism has yet to be invented.

[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Democratic socialism is definitely a viable alternative. Even capitalism with a strong safety net vis a vis Nordic countries is better.

[–] quindraco@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Capitalism with a strong safety net sounds like you're avoiding the question. The question is how to replace capitalism, not how to improve it.

How are you defining democratic socialism? Usually when I ask people to define socialism they answer with capitalism with extra undefined steps whereby the set of employees of a business is legally forced to be equal to that business's set of owners. I'm not familiar with "democratic" as a modifier to the term, though.

[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The right answer is most likely a mixed system, so will most likely include some form of capitalism.

Wikipedia describes what I mean pretty well.

[–] quindraco@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

The article you linked has at least 3 different kinds of socialism that satisfy "democratic" socialism:

Democratic socialists have promoted various different models of socialism and economics, ranging from market socialism, where socially owned enterprises operate in competitive markets and are self-managed by their workforce, to non-market participatory socialism based on decentralised economic planning.[127] Democratic socialism can also be committed to a decentralised form of economic planning where productive units are integrated into a single organisation and organised based on self-management.[22]

What definition do you mean by it?

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