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[–] bitcrafter@programming.dev 23 points 10 months ago (11 children)

Wait... I just noticed this:

[XHTML] never took off on the web, in part because in a website context so much HTML is generated by templates and libraries that it’s all too easy to introduce a syntax error somewhere along the line; and unlike HTML, where a syntax error would still render something, the tiniest syntax error in XHTML means the whole thing gets thrown out by the browser and you get the Yellow Screen of Death.

This confuses me; don't you want to make sure you are always generating a syntactically valid document, rather than hoping that the browser will make something suitable up to work around your mistake?

[–] polakkenak@feddit.dk 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The thing with XHTML is that even a minor problem will make the page refuse to render and display a full page error message instead of any content. Having the browser guess how to handle the malformed HTML isn't ideal, but it's a lot better than showing nothing at all.

[–] atheken@programming.dev 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As an end result, maybe. But it also means that you get specific feedback on how to properly author it correctly and fix it before pushing it live.

IDK, I lived through that whole era, and I’d attribute it more to the fact that HTML is easy enough to author in any text editor by complete novices. XHTML demands a hell of a lot more knowledge of how XML works, and what is valid (and, more keystrokes). The barrier to entry for XHTML is much, much, higher.

[–] bitcrafter@programming.dev 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I completely agree with that assessment, but what is weird to me is that most people use frameworks so they don't actually touch any of the markup themselves.

[–] atheken@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago

I don’t know if it’s “most people,” but I agree, there is no excuse for frameworks producing sloppy output - that being said, XHTML is a bit more chatty than HTML(5), so there is some minor benefit to not using the less verbose standard.

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