So in other words if this killing helps rooting out Hamas then it is all justified. Because obviously the next generation of Palestinians will be thankful that their siblings, parents, grandparents where rooted out of their homes or slaughtered in the name of anti-terrorism action as collateral damage. Surely nobody growing up without prospects and has to deal with such hardships will wabt any revenge or justice for their sufferings. Surely this will not radicalize the middle east any further. In fact they should be grateful that they are honored to die in the name of Israëls justice.

If it wasn't clear this is obviously sarcastic..

[–] cedeho@feddit.de -3 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I don't want to justify, all I am looking for is a discussion. I could not provide a solution either and I do not support war. All I am saying is that I don't know what to expect from a country to do.

I do not excuse killing of civilians or even genocide and personally think that Israel should take more care about civilians which is even in alignment with the statement of Mr. Blinken. Also they may rightfully be criticized in relation to blocking humanitarian aid to Gaza.

All I do say is that unbased information is hard to come by at this stage as the information sphere from inside Gaza is mostly controlled by Hamas. Israel surely is no unbiased source of news either, but international press has more access there. Again I do not neglect nor justify killing civilians and especially children. But still it should be distinguished between actual genocide which includes intentionally deporting and killing civilians and collateral damage, both of which are to condemn, as are the actions of Hamas relating to raiding and terrorizing Israel civilians and taking them hostage. This is no way of deescalation obviously either.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Again, I think Israel should rightfully be criticized for many things, but clearing out Hamas makes sense when viewed as it's own topic. And looking at the number of high civilian casualties in Gaza they are being criticized even by the USA, you still have to consider that Hamas are hiding in civilian infrastructure on purpose to use them as human shields. Also while the numbers of casualties in Gaza are being reported from inside Gaza you would not know how many of them are actually part of Hamas. They won't give you this information.

This is you justifying it.

Let me guess: you're a member of the Alternative for Germany party?

[–] cedeho@feddit.de -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, I do not justify bombing civilian infrastructure. I do try to explain why civilian casualties are too high. While Hamas should not use civilians as human shields, Israel should not bomb them non the less and disregard civilian casualties. It's both wrong.

[–] Count042@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/11/26/israel-soldiers-punishment-using-boy-human-shield-inadequate

This is what human shields look like.

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