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[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The initial comment stated that it was the Republicans who voted McCarthy out. You called that statement wrong, that democrats voted him out. While you could argue semantics about the voting process, this historic event of ousting a speaker was controlled by the republican party. You're claim otherwise is dishonest (misleading) because the democrats acted the way the minority party always acts for speaker votes, meaning the Republicans knew what the outcome of the vote would be.

It would be the same as saying democrats were the ones responsible for the initial election of McCarthy taking so long. While they didn't vote for him, that's not new or surprising, the surprising thing was Republicans inability to agree on a speaker (and thus making them the ones primarily at fault for failing to elect a speaker). To state otherwise is misleading because you are purposefully ignoring important details.

[–] fattylumpkin@sopuli.xyz -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This simply isn't true. The minority party, GOP or Dem have been known to support speakers of the opposite party when it suited their purposes.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Look at any of the elections since 2001 (and probably well before). Not a single vote (at least that I saw) for the opposition from either party - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Speaker_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections

This is why you're getting down voted, it's not about what politics it's that you aren't giving correct information.

[–] fattylumpkin@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago

Nah, the downvotes are weird partisanship. The rest of the world knows that these parties sometimes cut deals on speakers.

https://time.com/6320202/house-democrats-refused-save-kevin-mccarthy/

On Tuesday, Democrats voted unanimously alongside Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida and seven other GOP members to remove McCarthy as Speaker. Despite talk over the weekend that some Democrats might cut a deal with McCarthy to save him, the Speaker ultimately refused to offer members of the opposition party any concessions, leaving Democrats united against him. In the narrowly divided House, only a handful of Republicans needed to join Democrats to create the majority needed to win the vote.

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