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[–] NoiseColor@startrek.website 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I don't now, but it looked like they were trying to get everyone killed. Insane clusterf*k.

[–] Hopfgeist@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Highest single-day casualty number yesterday. 1380 Russian soldiers in a day. This may have been part of it. I feel sorry for each individual soldier and their families, they likely had no real choice and were between a rock and a hard place. But as long as they continue attacking, Ukraine has every right to kill or at least repel them by force. War is a terrible, awful business, any way you look at it.

[–] DrGeraintLLanfrancheta@nafo.uk 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

@Hopfgeist @NoiseColor dear hopfgeist, a very balanced and humane answer. I humbly disagree though. In comparison to nazi Wehrmacht soldiers, Russian conscripts will not be shot. They will go to jail which is likely no fun. But they -have- a choice. Every second. Some surrender. The most don't. Since Bucha I have put my empathy for anything Russian very very very far away.

[–] Hopfgeist@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the civil reply. I absolutely see your point. I do not have any first-hand (or even second-hand) information on that. I assume that conscripts who refuse to be drafted are most likely not shot, but imprisoned, although once on the battlefield, lured under false pretext, that may be a different story. I have a hard time, too, imagining a single conscript leaving his unit is called to surrender to the Ukrainian forces, especially when involved in a senseless assault on a stronghold.

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