How do y'all cope with this
this post was submitted on 05 Oct 2023
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Billionaires are already incentivised to keep democratic coordination to a minimum - see their consistent, often violent union busting efforts.
When workers rather than the bourgeois own the means of production, why would workers be class losers? With fairer taxation used to fund better opportunity for all, the power of the wealthy evaporates as the power of the workers grows.
Union busting is a business decision, preserving one's life should have higher priorities. Violence will be higher if lives are defended.
Workers would become class losers in a second step when a new elite can gain control by disenfranchising workers again.
I wish to eliminate the "elites" one way or another - I'm not sure the response will change (though the pretext they have for retaliation may).
Without an elite class, there's noone with the resources, power or motivation to disenfranchise the workers again.
To me the problem is that the elite are more a symptom like hunger that cannot be destroyed. The workers have to be fed with education to bring equality. But who wants to be forced into school?
The massive inequity of wealth distribution isn't necessary or unaddressable - we already tax them... We could just do that far more.
The workers don't need to be forced into education, only given the opportunity to participate if they choose (without today's frequently insurmountable obstacles of cost and time). We still need workers for "unskilled" jobs - we just need to ensure that their labour is adequately rewarded, which can come at the expense of the do-nothing shareholder leeches.