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Spam and porn are flooding kbin already (kbin.social)
submitted 1 year ago by frasassi@kbin.social to c/kbinMeta@kbin.social
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There is a substantial amount of spam and NSFW posts on the All page coming through already. Most NSFW posts aren't being tagged as such and are coming right through. I am not sure how this can be weathered but we need something in place fairly soon, I feel like we are days away from rivers of bad stuff, especially via some of the federated instances.

EDIT: I personally don't care much about the NSFW aspect, more in the lines of what a newcomer will be seeing when they get to the main page. 99% of the newcomers don't know / care about federation and have no idea how to turn that off. Liability for the server owner is also an element of consideration.

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[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Defederate, massively

Beehaw has more than 380 instances blocked. I don't think that kbin blocks anything, where can we see the list?

edit: I see a lot of downvote. You DO understand that some instances are sharing lolita stuff and the police can close the servers of Ernest depending on what is federated? Right?

[–] gus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I disagree. I really think closing ourselves off to a bunch of places goes against the spirit of the fediverse. I want to be getting content from a lot of places which I can then filter out and control myself, and I feel like kbin supports that mindset well. I understand why some would want to defederate and close themselves off, but I don't want kbin.social turning into beehaw. If you're looking for a more controlled instance, join them

These platforms are still pretty early in their infancy and I don't think they were quite mature enough to take on this sudden influx of users (through no fault of anyone). There's going to be some growing pains but we'll get through it and this platform will get better from it

[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think that you fully understand the scale of illegal stuff that is transiting on the fediverse, and by illegal I mean "FBI illegal". You don't want it stored on Ernest's servers. Some instances are blocked for a very good reason, even you would agree.

BTW I already switch to defederate and I blocked NSFW, but we all have to take into consideration the risks for Ernest, because in fine he is the one hosting the pictures.

[–] jdp23@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

To the contrary: defederation from instances in situations like this is very much in the spirit of the the fediverse. Not attaching NSFW tags to NSFW content is a major moderation fail by lemmynsfw, and restricting content from badly-moderated instances until they get things cleaned up is something that frequently happens.

[–] 0x@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't call it a fail per se considering how there's NSFW literally in the URL. If your whole instance is about NSFW content, then marking individual content NSFW becomes moot.

That said there should definitely be instance level NSFW flags for federation purposes.

[–] gus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

You're confusing "do not massively defederate" with "do not defederate at all"

We should defederate from obviously problematic instances. We should not defederate in the fashion that beehaw is

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

That's a completely different statement than the top levels "defederate from all adult content".

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