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Don't you dare mix up socialism and whatever hexbear is. Socialism =/= genocide denialism or authoritarianism.
You say they deny genocide a lot in this thread. Can you link even one instance of this?
I mean... It's right here in this discussion
https://hexbear.net/comment/3871166
They don't mention the Holocaust or Armenian genocide or the genocide of the indigenous people of the Americas. They’re just talking about China
So they're just denying the Uyghur genocide because it would make a "communist" country look bad but they don't deny the genocides by capitalist countries, so they're ok 👍
A genocide is a genocide is a genocide.
Talking about that, I wonder what's their stance on Tibet, we don't hear about that genocide very often anymore...
Can you provide any evidence of a genocide targeting Uyghurs that isnt sourced from Adrian Zenz, a Holocaust revisionist.
You claim to be a leftist. Read this, parse through the sources, and tell me what you think
Is the US Holocaust Memorial Museum a good source? https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/countries/china/case-study/current-risks/chinese-persecution-of-the-uyghurs
Or the UN? https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf
Seeing as they don’t have a single citation in that entire page, no, it’s not a good source
And this UN article mentions human rights violations, which, fine, nobody is arguing that there aren’t human rights violations in Xinjiang detention centers. But compared to US prisons, these conditions are pleasant. NOTHING in that article is even hinting at genocide. And comparing prison time for 2-18 months to genocide is deeply offensive to peoples who have actually suffered genocide. You sound like a typical white westerner who is trying to whitewash the crimes of your country by projecting them onto other countries
Did you even read the table of contents? Did you read the part about the unnatural birth rates? Did you read about the complete lack of consistency that "Terrorism" and Extremism" laws have? Did you read about the surveillance state that exists there? The suppression of Uighur culture? The forced disappearances? You're comparing two things with a magnitude of difference. I can talk about American issues of systemic racism all day, but calling the two equal is exactly as you put it whitewashing the crimes of China by projecting them on to America. The destruction of the American Indian lands happened in the past, but the destruction of Xinjiang and Tibet is happening today. We can do something about it
You're talking to a sealion who's not here to have a discussion in good faith. Don't bother with them
Lol yes I read much more than the table of contents. Did you read anything beyond the table of contents? None of those things constitute a genocide.
And all of those things are common in America to a greater degree. “Surveillance state” ha! America has more cctv cameras per capita than China. America has concentration camps at the border where real genocide is happening complete with forced sterilization, separation of families, and killing/imprisoning of people without a trial
Focus on your own country, cracker
And there it is 🤣
Yep, there it is. An article by a modern socialist writer. You can actually read some theory, or you can keep chugging American state department propaganda. Capitalism or socialism? It’s time to decide, America is collapsing and they will engage in a last ditch effort war on China in a feeble attempt to maintain their empire. You can either side with America, repeating western propaganda you see on the “news” and reddit; or you can stand with the workers of the world— the colonized nations and the socialist states that stand up for them. Imperial core and international capital or the periphery and the international proletariat?
"We're not allowed to go investigate, we've got report from people who can't contact their family anymore, but we'll believe the Chinese government."
You guys are so predictable.