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I'm GMing for a group where everyone (including myself) is entirely new to Pathfinder. We had our session 0 recently followed by a quick practice combat. The thing I noticed from that, plus a little theory crafting of building a low level character myself, is that people using ranged combat felt very underwhelming compared to melee weapon users.

  • They couldn't add any modifier to damage
  • They had far fewer feats upgrading them (particularly compared to dual wielders)
  • They had fewer "third action" options
  • Less ability to help out allies with things like flanking
  • Can't opportunity attack

Sure, for all that they have the advantage of being safer from getting damaged. But it didn't really feel like a worthwhile trade-off. Does this get better as you level up? Is it just something caused by inexperience? What options can/should you take to make ranged combat feel more interesting and valuable?

For context, my party had a rogue and a ranged fighter as ranged users, as well as a barbarian and a magus in melee, and a druid and sorcerer as casters.

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[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I think for the rogue in particular they would be a good option as long as they have ways of triggering sneak attack like hiding behind cover. As a rogue a lot of your effectiveness comes from how you hit the enemy, not what you hit them with.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Doesn't it take a lot of actions to do that though?

Like, Stride to move behind cover, then Hide to actually become hidden. Then on your next turn, Stride to come out from behind cover, Strike, then Stride to get back behind cover.

Or can you attack around a corner without needing to move out of your square?

[–] Zagaroth@pathfinder.social 2 points 1 year ago

Combat is not still, depending on the rest of combat, someone may move into your line of fire.

But it does in general take a lot of actions to set up a fire-from-hidden situation.

Or get a wizard to upcast invisibility to let you stay invisible while sniping. :)

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