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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

Tell that to the tankies. I'm tired of communism being associated with them.

I stick to the original plan: moneyless, classless, and STATE-less. 🏴

[–] emi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (14 children)

You don’t know your Marx? socialism-transition-communism

Marx, therefore, further refined the concept of a “transition society” and introduced the idea that the development of communist society would take place in two phases. In the first stage, “socialism” as he called it, the commune state was still necessary both to defeat all attempts at counter-revolution and to reconstruct the international economic system on an egalitarian and planned basis.

[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Marx was too idealistic. He didn't account for what happens when you put people into power of this "dicatorship of the proletariat". Most people who get into power are not going to willingly give up power. You'll end up with self-proclaimed communist countries that are either stuck in this transition phase indefinitely, or end up abandoning it in favor of state capitalism.

[–] emi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or perhaps you are arguing that power will always be abused by individuals and thus we shouldn’t resist it and those that currently hold it in the form of capital…

in which case…

I never expect perfection in a human society, but I know for damn certain we can do better than what we do now and the improvements we can make are towards a more equitable society best expressed by socialist and communist thinkers alike.

[–] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm saying that the transition phase being authoritarian is a mistake. Power always corrupts people, and the only way to make sure a worker's revolution doesn't end up failing is to implement a democratic transition government. Everyone gets a vote, and can run for and hold office. And anyone who has ever owned or managed a large bussiness or has ever accumulated a net worth of one million USD (or equivalent amount in other currencies) or more is banned from holding office. Worker's rights should be entrenched into a constitution, and cannot be redefined unless 3/4 of the people agrees on it.

That's how I think it should be. Not some "communist party" that would become the new bourgeoisie as soon as the old one is eliminated.

[–] emi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

transition phase being authoritarian is a mistake

Your understanding of communism is fundamentally flawed... Democracy is indispensable to socialism.

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