this post was submitted on 10 Nov 2024
270 points (89.5% liked)

Political Memes

5489 readers
2752 users here now

Welcome to politcal memes!

These are our rules:

Be civilJokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.

No misinformationDon’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.

Posts should be memesRandom pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.

No bots, spam or self-promotionFollow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 89 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I cant really take the people that act as apologists for Russia seriously as real leftists. Like, forget the failings of the Soviet Union at implementing communism for a moment, Russia doesnt even play lip service to it. It is literally just as much a capitalist state as a place like the US, it is just as much an example of a country benefiting from the legacy of European colonial empires as countries like the US, UK, and France (and even still retains most of its old empire), and it is certainly imperialist, because it is actively seeking to conquer the territory of other peoples by military force, right now. You would think that an actual communist should hate it, for taking one of the most prominent examples of a communist revolution, implementing the ideas so badly as to discredit them in the eyes of much of the world, and then ultimately betraying that revolution outright and slipping back into autocratic capitalism again. It is perhaps one of the least leftist countries on the planet right now. And yet, somehow it has convinced a significant chunk of those that count themselves among the left that it can do no wrong. I could sort of understand it from people living in Russia itself, criticism of one's own country can be hard sometimes, but so many of its defenders seem to be Americans who take "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" way past the point where it ceases to be reasonable.

[–] Schmoo 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A lot of them justify their defense of fascist-imperialist Russia with revolutionary defeatism. It is a much more difficult argument to deconstruct than the argument that Russia is somehow still socialist.

In my view, it is similar to accelerationism, and so the same arguments against accelerationism work against revolutionary defeatism. Marxist theory also argues that improved material conditions result in increased success of liberatory movements, which is in direct contradiction to revolutionary defeatism and accelerationism. For this reason I don't believe marxism-leninism is internally consistent if it includes support for accelerationism.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

I've never heard anyone support that idiotic bullshit idea. If the nation state you live in is defeated, you're at complete mercy by whatever happens to be ruling the winning nation state.

Which could be so much worse.

load more comments (1 replies)