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[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (18 children)

In a sane world, literally anyone would have beaten trump. A rotten ham sandwich would have won a write in vote over trump.

I do not blame Democrats for running a bad campaign.

I blame the jellyfish stimulus eater organisms that insist they're the same species as me who were "not impressed" by Harris but were dazzled by the funny orange meme man with the dick sucking dance.

At this point I don't hate Trump supporters any more. They're just dogs. I hate the left for allowing us to get to this stage.

I hope the apocalypse is painful for everyone. It would be the first instance of justice our species would experience.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This attitude is generally insane.

“I don’t hate racists, I hate people who hate genocide so much they can’t stomach voting for it.”

Look, I voted for Harris, but it wasn’t easy. Because that blood is on this administrations hands. The party is moving further and further away from my ideals every election. Because they keep moving right. On immigration, tax breaks, health care, foreign policy. She was courting the fuckin neocons!!!

I understand how frustrating it is, because you’re right—not allowing trump to win is better than allowing him. But it’s not so straightforward when your vote is support for something you can’t stomach. Can you understand how that is difficult for people? I sure can. But I also understand how many people stand to get hurt under an authoritarian regime, so i sacrificed my morals again to do what I can to somewhat stem the bleeding.

But that’s not an easy decision to make. Much harder than, say, blaming the racists for racism, and not the people who are anti-racist.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

The dismissal and condescension towards Arab-Americans who were upset over Gaza was fucking insane. That isn't going to be forgotten.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

But it’s not so straightforward when your vote is support for something you can’t stomach. Can you understand how that is difficult for people?

No, I honestly can't understand that. That whole mindset that doing nothing is somehow more in line with your morals than doing something even though both can have equally bad outcomes is incredibly bizarre to me and reminds me of stupid moral exercises like the trolley problem.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 0 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Here’s how I put it elsewhere in this thread:

You have two choices, one is to poison a town’s water supply without telling them.

The other choice is poisoning the town’s water supply, not telling them, and then shooting the survivors as they flee the town.

No question that slaughtering fleeing survivors is worse. But either way, you’re being asked to sign your name to poisoning innocent people.

You can only see “you’re voting for slaughtering fleeing townspeople!” But plenty of people cannot stomach voting for poisoning the townspeople in the first place.

You’re both looking at the same situation but seeing different elements.

The nuance comes in here: both are valid stances to take. If you don’t vote “against” shooting the survivors, there’s a greater chance survivors will be shot. But voting for the people poisoning the water supply is untenable for many, and not understanding why that is, is a huge problem.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

But plenty of people cannot stomach voting for poisoning the townspeople in the first place.

But they are not doing anything against that by abstaining from voting. They are still giving their consent to the poisoning, just by doing nothing instead of doing something, that is literally the only difference.

My whole point is that the "inaction is better than action" bias when evaluating options is bizarre to me.

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omission_bias seems to be the term used for the phenomenon.

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