635
We'll have a long memory as things get worse for working class Americans, minorities and women
(lemmy.world)
this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2024
635 points (73.8% liked)
Political Memes
5432 readers
2820 users here now
Welcome to politcal memes!
These are our rules:
Be civil
Jokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.
No misinformation
Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.
Posts should be memes
Random pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.
No bots, spam or self-promotion
Follow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
If you have a problem with this line of reasoning then your actual problem is first past the post voting.
Abolish first past the post voting and you can finally actually vote for things you like, rather than against things you hate, but we're stuck in first past the post voting, so, you must vote strategically.
Just curious, do you really expect Republicans or democrats to support legislation to end their stranglehold on American politics?
"In 2023, 74 bills were introduced supporting ranked-choice voting and 57 of these bills had only Democrat sponsors. In fact, just eight percent of the total bills received bipartisan support."
No, but there's one party that has shown support for it and one party that has attempted to outright ban it.
It's an easy choice.
Ranked choice voting is still first past the post... There is still only one winner, the results aren't spread proportionally. Ranked choice voting can give even bigger majorities with even fewer votes. Since you have only 2 real parties, it won't change much in the US.
You're conflating "voting for a single-seat position" with any method of vote counting. There's only ever one winner if there's one seat, but there are better ways of counting votes than first-past-the-post. At least with ranked-choice, more people are happy with the outcome because the winner might be their second preferred option.
I'm not the one who mixes them up... The one I replied to was presenting RCV as a panacea that would help with this party voting when in fact it entrenches the most popular party and remove most chances of other party to ever win an election.
If you want smaller parties to win, RCV isn't the solution, you need proportional representation. You can combine both though, but that's not what was implied in the comment that I replied to.
Ranked choice cannot do that, if it can, explain the mechanism
...no, ranked choice prevents the spoiler effect, and therefore allows you to vote for candidates you are actually interested in without risk.
This would allow people to vote for 3rd parties without worry, and would destroy the two party system eventually.
You have no idea what you're talking about, and that's not what first past the post means.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo
Your understanding of Ranked Choice voting, and what the point of it is, seems to be missing a big chunk right there in the middle...
No, nothing in ranked choice voting says that it becomes proportional representation. Ranked choice voting in the same first past the post system still stays first past the post. If you want proportional representation, it's not it.
This is a debated topic where I live. Our current PM would love ranked choice voting because it would solidify their position, kill most changes of a conservative victory and eliminate any chance of most other parties to have a meaningful impact on the government. That's why he abandoned the electoral reform because every commity and experts said that it would be way worse for democracy.
you're clearly misunderstanding something, conflating some terms, none of that makes sense when you know what those words mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf7ws2DF-zk
please watch this, make sure your understanding is correct, then come back.