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[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (16 children)

Don't know how much this fits the community, as you use a lot of terms I'm not inherently familiar with (is there a "welcome guide" of some sort somewhere I missed).

Anyway, Wikipedia moderators are now realizing that LLMs are causing problems for them, but they are very careful to not smack the beehive:

The purpose of this project is not to restrict or ban the use of AI in articles, but to verify that its output is acceptable and constructive, and to fix or remove it otherwise.

I just... don't have words for how bad this is going to go. How much work this will inevitably be. At least we'll get a real world example of just how many guardrails are actually needed to make LLM text "work" for this sort of use case, where neutrality, truth, and cited sources are important (at least on paper).

I hope some people watch this closely, I'm sure there's going to be some gold in this mess.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The purpose of this project is not to restrict or ban the use of AI in articles, but to verify that its output is acceptable and constructive, and to fix or remove it otherwise.

Wikipedia's mod team definitely haven't realised it yet, but this part is pretty much a de facto ban on using AI. AI is incapable of producing output that would be acceptable for a Wikipedia article - in basically every instance, its getting nuked.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

lol i assure you that fidelitously translates to "kill it with fire"

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, that sounds like text which somebody quickly typed up for the sake of having something.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 13 points 1 month ago

it is impossible for a Wikipedia editor to write a sentence on Wikipedia procedure without completely tracing the fractal space of caveats.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 8 points 1 month ago

I'd like to believe some of them have, but it's easier or more productive to keep giving the benefit of the doubt (or at at least pretend to) than argue the point.

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