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[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (14 children)

Do we even know: does the Borg queen truly control the collective, or is she rather a manifestation of something still more deeply hidden?

Perhaps at the core of the core, it really is a collective? I suppose this ~~like~~ (edit: level) of argumentation is useless, like that thought experiment of glass mountains on the moon, but still I wonder.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

She is very much in control. In unimatrix zero double episode, she commands self destruct of whole cubes just because one drone was not under her complete control, that's how much she is afraid of any independent thought.

And how much control she has over the rest.

  • "Suicide, now!"
  • "Yes, mah queen"
[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Right, so she is like a program running with sudo permissions on a Unix machine. She holds the hidden, backdoor keys to control the thoughts of the mere "drones" below her, even as each ship itself had a singular authority (iirc?) who could do similarly for those "below" them. But what I mean is, what above moving back "up" that chain - does she likewise have hidden backdoor keys to control her thoughts, which she would not necessarily (or even likely) be aware of herself?

[–] KillingAndKindess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is/was no cube hierarchy. You have the Borg queen and then everything else. Ship sizing wasn't an indication of anything there than use case iirc.

Plus, a collective, as well as one ran by a leader, has no use case for a tiered authority structure. Unless compromised, Borg already always know the current plan. Thats why any ship could destroy every other ship.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I dunno, that seems like a ginormous gaping security hole, if any ship containing mere drones could be compromised - even the tiniest ones with the least powerful engines (& thus shields, etc.) - and then it in turn could decide to blow up the queen... and/or literally all other ships. Any collective with such a feature baked-in sounds like it would not remain in existence for all that long, unless there were literally no other species nearby it that were even remotely close to their level of technological development.

You're forgetting 1. Only the Queen can blow upthe Queen/unimatrix. (Andduh she wouldn't0 and 2. This applied to drones too essentially. They shut themeselves down when not function long correctly.

Litterally its just "all for one"

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