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[–] Euphorazine@lemmy.world 85 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (17 children)

Alaska, a red state, is reportedly trying to remove their rank choice voting. This isn't a "Dems" problem, it's a two party problem.

https://ballotpedia.org/Alaska_Ballot_Measure_2,_Repeal_Top-Four_Ranked-Choice_Voting_Initiative_(2024)

Even if state and local elections are ranked choice, the presidential election will still be a first past the post election and the electoral college is still designed for a two party system.

[–] antmzo220@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

Alaska, a red state, is reportedly trying to remove their rank choice voting. This isn't a "Dems" problem, it's a two party problem.

This is a counter to the Democratic party supporters you see everywhere who always get irrationally upset at third party voters, not about Republicans.

The point is, if the Democratic party never plan to address it, then how will it ever get done through voting Dem? The same goes for all the other issues people claim we should ignore in the name of "vote blue no matter who", including their genocide.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So don't participate in the system, got it. Just stay home and give up on Democracy.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do you think voting is the entirety of political expression for the working class?

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do you think it's a zero sum game where voting somehow disables your ability to do other activism and organizing?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Somewhat. Voting makes very little difference at the federal level in the first place, and the huge importance placed on it does placate liberals somewhat.

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It also takes very little effort.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yep, and that's why it's the extent 99.9% of libs are willing to go, and no further.

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Right... But unless you're suggesting abolishing voting entirely, none of this suggests that withholding your vote in protest is useful.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

I'm suggesting that voting will never be enough.

[–] antmzo220@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

So just accept your place in a broken system, got it. Just go support more increasingly right wing fascist policies and give up on any hope for Democracy.*

Pure strawman.

Pretty sure voting for a write in candidate/third party is, by definition, participating in the system.

You just accept the system is broken and undemocratic and believe others should accept this as well and give up.

You are more devoted to "order" than to justice; you prefer a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; you constantly say "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; you paternalistically believe you can set the timetable on progress and constantly advise the progressive to to wait for a "more convenient season".

You are the "white moderate" MLK warned of, as is the vast majority of the party, though not for long, as the party increasingly seeks the support of the right to avoid allowing any policy victory for the left.

You are increasingly the Republican party of Cheney, as demonstrated by, not only his support for the party, but by the party and Kamala herself touting the endorsement, rather than ignoring it/distancing themselves.

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