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[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago (9 children)

"it has no wokeness."

These sort of opinions should just be entirely ignored. They are from unserious people either celebrating or raging at imaginary non-problems. "Woke" in it's modern usage by right leaning culture war dorks is entirely undefined, from including PoC to acknowledging queer people exist.

So, I feel you on getting the ick from sharing the same space as these bigots, but don't let them take away hobbies from you because of their narrow minded hate.

[–] Moghul@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Yeah it's the same when you have a complaint that aligns with the bigots. Like the female custodes debacle. I don't care what gender the marines are, but I do think GW handled it poorly.

If they had just had... Idk the mechanicus find some relic that allowed women recruits to survive the upgrade to space marine, primaris, and custodes, and had them deliver a sick 'more bodies for the war' line, it would've been better.

Saying that does feel icky because there are people who are just against women being marines and custodes. I'm not. If GW did it better, I'd have nothing to say and the bigots would still be bigots.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

In Gee Dubs defence, there had been speculation for years over female Custodes precisely because, unlike Space Marines, Custodes were not explicitly noted as being male-only.

[–] Moghul@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'll take the L on that, I didn't know it wasn't explicitly said. I don't remember any speculation like that either.

Still I take it from what you're saying that there were also no female custodian characters over the years, right? It doesn't help the misconception but it isn't the same as saying there aren't any.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, there were never female Custodes mentioned, which is why it was such a debate. My best guess is that Gee Dubs overlooked it when they changed Space Marines to male-only genetically modified supersoldiers after the Rogue Trader days, and when they realized their mistake, decided to keep it ambiguous in the Custodes' case they wanted to change it later.

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

For the record, the 7th edition Adeptus Custodes codex does have a lore section that states Custodes are all the

infant sons of the noble houses of Terra

And that the custodes are a brotherhood.

I like the change and most people railing against it have no clue. Female custodes were originally intended by the author of the first real Custodes perspective novel.

Aaron Dembski-Bowden has publicly stated (in 2016) that authors wanted them but were told no by corporate because the box of models didn’t have female heads.

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