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[–] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I'm still using Chrome, but it keeps getting shittier. At some point they'll push me over to Firefox. Hope Firefox can avoid getting shitty.

[–] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

While Mozilla is far from perfect, I think they've managed to avoid getting shitty for almost 20 years.

[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's because the Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit. They don't need to maximize value for their shareholders™.

Thank you Netscape for setting Navigator free!

The Enshitification cycle is a feature of for profit corporations, Google was always going to turn evil at some point.

[–] nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The Mozilla Corporation is for profit, but they reinvest all of their profits. They are also wholly owned by the Foundation. You can't donate to Firefox.

[–] crunchpaste@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, and they've made some profit-driven decisions, such as pocket integration, but never on the level of what google does.

That's why I've said they are far from perfect (but the best we have).

[–] nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And dropping Thunderbird :(

Although it seems to be doing well now under its own, newish commercial corporation.

[–] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

It's coming along nicely. I donate and am a fan.

[–] Soundhole@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's what non-profit means. You reinvest the profit back into the project rather than pocket the money. It doesn't literally mean "no profit".

[–] nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Cool. They also have rules about how you make money and where that money goes. The Mozilla Corporation is not a non-profit. It is a commercial company created to make profit to support development.

[–] Soundhole@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

So, a non-profit that skirts the rules, basically. Good to know.

[–] steakmeout@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is a non-profit.

The Mozilla Corporation was established on August 3, 2005, to handle the revenue-related operations of the Mozilla Foundation. As a non-profit, the Mozilla Foundation is limited in terms of the types and amounts of revenue it can have. The Mozilla Corporation, as a taxable organization (essentially, a commercial operation), does not have to comply with such strict rules. Upon its creation, the Mozilla Corporation took over several areas from the Mozilla Foundation, including coordination and integration of the development of Firefox and Thunderbird (by the global free software community) and the management of relationships with businesses.

[–] nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Did you read that? Because it says it isn’t.

The Foundation is a non-profit. The Corporation is not. The Corporation is taxable. It can generate revenue in ways a non-profit cannot.

[–] esscew@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Somehow it's always the lead software in a category that becomes shitty while everything else is praised. Regardless of what's being talked about. (I know why)

[–] pearsche@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago

People get used to it, it's "fine" but doesn't improve considerably or add anything exciting, so people get bored. I moved from Firefox to Chrome, and honestly Chrome feels smoother and uses less ram seemingly for me on my laptop. Aside from no support for vaapi on wayland, chrome is fine imo

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