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A Palestinian man was found dead in a park in the Belgian city of Antwerp with his hands and feet tied, leaving the cause of his death a mystery amid authorities’ suggestion that it may have been a suicide.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (29 children)

“There is no such thing as a ‘lesser evil’ when the result is genocide”

“Yes there is”

a completely unironic liberal take I saw highly upvoted just today that this reminded me of.

Eventually you are the evil, and that moment passed a long time ago.

Do you regard the Soviets and the Nazis as equally evil?

[–] solo 1 points 2 months ago (28 children)

Do you regard the Soviets and the Nazis as equally evil?

I'm not too sure how constructive this question is. They have different characteristics for sure and this is enough for me, in terms of analysis.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (25 children)

It's very constructive. Soviets and Nazis both committed genocide. But anyone with a shred of morality should have no hesitation, if it's down to the wire and only the two of them to choose from, which one should side with. The Soviets, if that wasn't clear. The Soviets, awful as they were, and even though they were quite literally genocidal - on multiple occasions, on a massive scale - are very much the lesser evil compared to the Nazis. The idea that there is no 'lesser evil' when genocide is involved on both sides as a matter of general principle would necessarily imply that the Soviets and the Nazis are equally evil, which is fundamentally absurd on its face.

It's a hollow argument trotted out to make "LIBERALS BAD FOR FOREIGN POLICY" sound more profound; it's not a sincerely held principle, and the inability to answer that challenge displays that.

[–] solo -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It looks like we see things quite differently. For me all Genocides are evil. I believe it is important to study their differences so they do not reoccur in any way, shape or form. Obviously as humans we haven't worked on this properly (for many of reasons) and one more is currently happening to Palestinians. In that sense comparing randomly any two of them as to see which one is worst, it honestly doesn't make sense to me.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's not about whether a genocide is right or wrong. All genocides are wrong, and should be prevented when possible. The point is that if there are two sides to choose from, realistically speaking, the fact that both engage in genocide does not make them equal. There is generally still a lesser evil, and oftentimes by a large degree.

Again - if it comes down to the wire, between the Nazis and Soviets, is there a lesser evil there?

[–] solo -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

As I briefly explained above, I don't see a point to this hypothetical question and I was not convinced by your arguments, so I will not engage to answering it.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

I very clearly explained the point, and you've very clearly demonstrated an inability to answer the question.

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