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This magazine is dedicated to discussions on the federated social networking ecosystem, which includes decentralized and open-source social media platforms. Whether you are a user, developer, or simply interested in the concept of decentralized social media, this is the place for you. Here you can share your knowledge, ask questions, and engage in discussions on topics such as the benefits and challenges of decentralized social media, new and existing federated platforms, and more. From the latest developments and trends to ethical considerations and the future of federated social media, this category covers a wide range of topics related to the Fediverse.

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everyones migrating out of reddit and twitter and it's great. threads is understandably sucking up a lot of those people and has already been doing damage (18 year old girl and mum caught having at home abortion). I have no doubt they will be bad for the fediverse, although i have no clue what they want with us considering they gained 10x the people in the first few days. That even outpaces chatgpt

#fediverse

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Are you thinking of trying out Mastodon, but feel intimidated by the options? Don't worry, we wrote a comprehensive guide to help you!

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Today, we’re abnormally jazzed to announce that we’re open-sourcing the custom framework we built to power your dashboard on Tumblr. We call it StreamBuilder, and we’ve been using it for many years.…

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A collection of usability enhancements for Kbin

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Taking a break from all the other anti-Reddit anti-Meta posts to note how much better kbin has gotten in just a short amount of time! Love the new layout and we're finally seeing lots of content from everywhere in the verse. Thanks to @ernest for all your hard work.

#fediverse

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I'm a bit confused about if I needed a new account here or I could of used my mastodon account? Can we browse lemmy through mastodon and post? Can we see mastodon posts here?

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So I'm definitely missing something with Lemmy...I've tried creating an account on their site, but it's never gone through. I know we get the same stuff on kbin as we do on Lemmy, but I was curious to try both out.

Surely it's not the same account for both, right?

I tried creating my account on Lemmy about a month ago, and it just kept doing the scrolly-wheel of doom and it never appeared to go through. I tried again today to see if it would work now, but, when I try to create the account, it says that it already exists, but trying to log in does nothing.

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!

#fediverse

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The first few times I saw "+18", I didn't even know what it meant because it was backwards and the threads weren't particularly NSFW.

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For those who aren't aware, Kbin Cafe is a Kbin instance I run. Cross-posting our stance on Threads for visibility.

As Meta’s new App Threads has now launched, it's important that I definitively state our stance on blocking federation with Meta if they choose to adopt ActivityPub:

Kbin Cafe will not be preemptively fediblocking Meta. However, I'll be keeping a close watch on the situation as it unfolds, with my finger hovering over the block button. My first priority is the integrity and safety of the community, and with this in mind there won't be any second chances given to Meta--their first strike results in a block.

Efforts are being coordinated by @tchambers and others to build out Fediverse test suites to ensure that all new actors (like Threads) that claim ActivityPub compliance have to prove their claims or be shown where they are lacking. That is the one real defense against “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” plays by any large actor. To join in and help with this, follow this Frendica group here:
https://kbin.cafe/m/activitypubtestsuite@venera.social

This ActivityPub Test Suite needs to happen ASAP, so any dev support is welcome!

As always, feel free to comment here or message me with any questions or concerns.

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Having spent a lot of time on Mastodon... There are tons of people there talking about federated and self-hosted services, software freedom, censorship, encryption, tech regulation... A very narrow range of topics directly surrounding the fediverse get a lot of attention.

But nobody talks about anything else. Nobody goes to Instagram to talk about Instagram, nobody goes to Tiktok to talk about Tiktok, nobody goes to Facebook (at all). People use social media to either talk to their friends or talk about their hobbies and interests.

And if your hobby is tech, that's fine, enjoy. I like tech too. But please, if you have anything else to say, say it. The fediverse will never appeal to the masses if we don't embrace a wide variety of hobbies and interests.

We need people here talking about cooking. We need people here talking about fashion. We need people here talking about immigration policy. We need people here talking about everything people enjoy!

Yes, if you go to /m/fashion right now, it's... barely there. You're not going to get a ton of conversation when you post there. But that's not the point. The point is to build out the community, so that, a year from now, as more and more people attempt to post and engage, there is a conversation. There's a reason to be on the fediverse besides the meta circlejerk over how great the fediverse could be in theory.

This is the "content" people are craving. Find or start a magazine for your city, or your town, or your country. Write a post. Share posts from your favorite blogs. Comment on something, if you have anything to say at all. Share a youtube video—yes, a youtube video, I know, youtube sucks, but at least it gives us a path to a community here.

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And why? Whether it's a comment, a post, a specific community/magazine, an instance, a meme -- whatever. What has stuck with you so far?

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For example I'm seeing a solarpunk post as #2 on sh.itjust.works but not on any other instance.

Related is also why it seems to differ from client to client? Maybe it's just confirmation bias at this point but for some reason I saw way less posts from shitposting communities than all the other clients? Not sure

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Just found out that the Mastodon instance that my favorite artist uses (AFAIK*) defederated Kbin/Lemmy instance that I'm currently using. As a result, I think I can't follow this artist. I kinda understand that defederation is important, but... the problem is I don't think the instances I am using did anything wrong. But then again, even the line of what's considered "doing anything wrong" is really subjective, depends on who you asked.

Also, I now understand even more about the drama few days ago about beehaw

*I saw the server list on the Mastodon instance about page, and it listed as "Suspended", I wonder what this means

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Is there an easy way to copy all my subscriptions and followed users from #kbin over to #calckey? Or do I just have to copy&paste them?

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I've checked the fedipact signatories, but they all seem to be lemmy instances.

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by grady77@kbin.social to c/fediverse@kbin.social
 
 

Posted this in a small community, curious to know what everyone here thinks.

Let me preface by saying, I would love to hear counter points and am fully open to the fact that I could be wrong and totally out of touch. I just want to have some dialogue around something that’s been bothering me in the fediverse.

More and more often I keep hearing people refer to “normies”. I think by referring to other people as “normies”, whether you intend to or not, you inadvertently gatekeep and create an exclusive environment rather than an inclusive one in the fediverse.

If I was not that familiar with the fediverse and decided to check it out and the first thing I read was a comment about “normies”, I would quite honestly be very put off. It totally has a negative connotation and doesn’t even encapsulate any one group. I just read a comment about someone grouping a racist uncle and funny friend into the same category of normie because they aren’t up to date on the fediverse or super tech savvy or whatever.

I don’t want to see any Meta bs in the fediverse. I barely want to see half of the stuff from Reddit in the fediverse. I don’t want to see the same echo chamber I do everywhere else.

I do want to see more users and more perspectives and a larger user base though. I want to see kindness and compassion. I want to talk to people about topics they are interested in. I want to have relevant discussions without it dissolving into some commentary on some unrelated hot topic thing.

I think calling people normies creates a more toxic, exclusive place which I personally came here to avoid.

Just my two cents! I know for most people using the term it isn’t meant to be malicious, but I think it comes off that way.

Love to hear all of your thoughts.

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How come more people are searching "mastodon" this week?

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=mastodon&hl=en-US

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Everyone seems to be pointing to the Microsoft EEE model without explaining how it has changed since the 90s. Here's what it will look like in today's tech climate. (I forgot to mention in this wall of text that there will probably be a name change or two. Especially if there's a major controversy.)

Meta will play nice for a year or 2. They'll cordon off the Meta instances, respond to complaints from Mastodon users, hell, they might even open source some of their code. It'll seem alright.

All your FB and IG followers will one day appear. Meta flipped a switch and integrated ActivityPub into their apps. You'll be annoyed, but hey, more traffic = support for the technology, etc. Now you don't have to log into your FB account and have a little more control over your FB and IG feeds, so it doesn't seem too bad. That wasn't worth all the debate. Just block or defederate and move on.

Maybe you go to check out Threadscon a fun event with special panels and contests. They even highlight the great Mastodon contributions and influencers. They really value their Mastodon partners!

A few months later...

You get a notification from a relative - they want to Splork over Threads. Wait, WTF is Splork? Oh, it's the hot, new video messenger that also tracks your heart rate, or some shit. But, you can't Splork from Mastodon and it'll never be added because it's closed source and encrypted for 'Security' and 'The Children'.

You figure, "Fine, it's the same content. I'll try to only use Threads for Splorking and use Mastodon for everything else." You feel guilty, but you continue to promote Mastodon when you can. Meta even seems supportive. Oddly, there's more people on Mastodon that are all for Meta's move into the space. At least, I think they're people. I guess some could be bots. Haha! How pathetic, if Meta stooped so low. At least I'm not gullible enough to fall for that. Ding! Oh, a notification about that 4,984 page argument I'm having with that definitely real, flesh and blood, human person over Meta's influence on the Fediverse. They make some good points, but I'm Ride or Die with my Purple Pachyderm.

Several months later...

It's Splorkcon! (They changed the name from Threadscon.) Back is the special section, just for Matodoms! Wait, what's a Matodom? "Oh, oops," the Meta rep chuckles dismissively. "Our bad." Your badges get you into and Mastodon section. There's free watered down Crystal Light and a shallow foam pit. Well, that was a downgrade. But, the Meta rep said it was an oversight. You find out the event coordinator came down with a nasty case of missing lung syndrome. You should try to be understanding. They're people, too. I'm sure there's a good reason none of the 1.4 billion employees couldn't take up the mantle. Besides, you doubt you could lose the support of ALL the jilted con-goers to a ton of swag and giveaways.

A few months later...

You start to notice Mastodon slowing down... Meta doesn't have to worry about their data budget like Captain Spanky of the USS Toke and Joke (your home instance). Meta's transfers have gotten a bit... verbose... with their contributions to the codebase. You could set up your own instance of pure Mastodon for the community. You know, for the health of the network, because you sure as shit aren't going to use a non-Splorking instance. (Also, the plugin you use to cross post between the two instances broke 3 weeks ago and you didn't notice.)

A few months later...

Good news, everyone! Meta's going to donate $1,000,000 to the Mastodon Consortium over the next 2 years! See, I told you that whole Splorkcon thing was an honest mistake. Hey, is it just me, or is Mastodon really, really getting slow?

You get curious. I mean, do you even know what you're protesting anymore? It would be irresponsible for you to NOT to explore Threads more. You know. To see why people use it; for competitive intelligence. Let's see if that Splorkified app is slo.... oh wow. It's very speedy. Maybe I'll use it a little more. After all, it's still supporting my beloved (mostly) open sourced protocol, even if it is Meta's app. I'll make my icon the Mastodon logo and try to minimize my use of the splorking feature. That will matter.

A few months later...

Even more good news! Meta's going to allow any instance to join their high speed interconnect. They'll even pay you $0.0005 for each petabyte you transfer. No obligations, cancel anytime, if you don't like it, you can return it within 30 days for a full refund, no questions asked. In return, they only want us to allow them to add a teensy tiny advertisement to each post. Nothing fancy, no images or animations. Hell, you could probably block it with a single line of CSS. You're suspicious, but ultimately conclude it's a reasonable request. They DO have to make SOME money to justify all the help they're giving us.

A few months later...

Meta flips another switch. They announce, "You can now feel assured that your voice is heard even louder, thanks to Weavle. Weavle leverages the power of the Fediverse to connect you with others discussing your favorite topics! It synergizes across all Meta's apps to bring you a complete experience." Translation: You're now autosubscribed to all the users on every instance within Meta's instance empire because your aunt and 2nd cousin liked getting in political debates about Joe Biden's left sock. In comes the flood of engageme... I mean, conversations. However this happened, it caused a bunch of chaos with no simple solution. Well, except THAT.

The Mastodonians start to chatter about how they'll address the Meta problem. Once they get through the told-ya-sos, finger pointing , and copy-pasting the wall of text you're currently reading, they start to defederate Meta instances. When will then be now? Soon.

Not everyone follows. Admins of high population instances would lose access to the high speed network if they leave (that was considered a solved problem, so no one really concentrated on an open solution). Some users cultivated followings of thousands of definitely real, non-bot, Turing Test passing if grading on a curve, human people. They can't leave their community. How would they find out about RAIDDDD Shadow Leg... um, they have sponsors. Go with the nerds, they get $2. Go with Meta, they get $15. The difference in platforms to them are Splorking and the color of the icon.

All your contacts are scattered, 75% still not fully understanding what a 'browser' is, let alone a federation. They just know they're cut off from some of their friends. Splork isn't working because of something those "evil hackers" did. At least Meta released a new Splork filter that lets you sing a duet of "Hurt" with an AR cartoon stalk of broccoli. You start to explain to your contacts how they can set up their own instance. 30 minutes in, they ask, "So, do I have to turn the computer on, or...?"

A few months later...

Fuck it! You knew Meta couldn't be trusted! Time to refocus on your instance. Be the change you want to see in the world.

You tell your family to join your instance and they do. Excellent! "So, how do we Skrank again?" "You mean Splork?" Yeah, that's it." Ruh roh! That's not a Mastodon feature. You can install the Splorktastic Upgrade Package, but then the Mastodon folks will defederate from you. Oh, and your instance users are piiiiiissed that a whole bunch of shit changed when they abandoned their old accounts. Important things, like the button on the right is now on the left. They are now skeptical of your advice on the topic. You're too techy. They want something simple and return to Threads. You resolve to be that one weird family member/friend that's difficult to get ahold of. This is a win. You were even able to resist the siren's call of the cartoon broccoli. Fight the power!

Maybe you can win one of those 20,000 different promo contests and giveaways for Splork users. You could show your support by donating the winnings to Mastodon! Surely that's effective, and not like trying to stop a bulldozer by throwing a gummy bear at it. In fact, you get 1,000 other Mastodonians to pledge their gummy bears, I mean contest prizes. (None of you end up winning.)

At the same time as all of the above...

The Mastodon developers are having a little trouble. Apparently, 50 core devs working 12 hrs/day solely on Mastodon can't keep up with the 2,000 hand selected specialists working on Meta's fork. Who would have thought Mastodon would need more than the $95,000/yr they currently have. Why that's a whole... 0.0000136% of Meta's value. If you really zoom in, you see that's a whopping 0.0033% of their Q1 2023 revenue. The $1,000,000 donation? No one knows exactly, but it appears on the books as "expenses". Coincidentally, everyone at the Mastodon Consortium is sporting custom, limited edition Heelys. Nobody else has time or the knowledge to deal with the massive codebase.

Finally, it all comes to a head. Meta experiences the most devastating data breach in history and videos of the top brass leak, letting the world catch a glimpse at their weekly "throw puppies into a pit of lemon juice coated spikes" meetings. You know what that means... big new product press release time!

"Regrettably, we are going to have to end our partnership with Mastodon. They've been great, but we see so much potential in the Fediverse that we've carved out our own little corner, based on our vision. We've been innovating too fast for even the passionate and capable open source community to keep up and we wish them the best in this new chapter of their Fediverse. Don't worry - we'll try to keep the confusion to a minimum. We even have a name for our new virtual space. We'd like to show you today... our Metaverse"

Wait, did he just say Metaverse? (Yes.) I thought that was a VR thing? (It was. No one bought it.) Well, clearly this was the plan all along. (It wasn't.) I have renewed confidence in Meta. (You shouldn't.) Give them more money. (You will.)

In the end, only a handful of people knew the game plan. Everyone else worked with the best of intentions. Maybe there were a few false starts, mini controversies, or sacrificial firings. It doesn't really matter.

Mastodon sticks around for a while with 0.000011% of the "Fediverse" users. Good! You got rid of the riff raff. If the codebase was fucked beyond recognition, things will start to break, security issues will increase, and it'll be a fondly remembered footnote within a year. If the codebase can be cleaned up or rolled back, you could Weekend at Bernie's this shit forever. Every feature suggestion will get shot down for fear it resembles Threads too much, or because it leaves the "platform" (25 people and 7 bots.) vulnerable to more Meta instigating. No one wants to be the one to take Old Yeller behind the barn because everyone's egos, memories, and trauma are tied to it.

Years pass. Your Mastodon instance is going strong. You're talking to a colleague and they mention a Threads post. You tell them you didn't see it because you use Mastodon. "Isn't that, like, the super old version of Threads?" You say, "Yes..." but stop before going into the summary you've recited 1000 times. This person doesn't care. A social network is neither with only one user.

I mean, all this MIGHT happen. I could be totally wrong. (I'm not.)

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