imadabouzu

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[–] imadabouzu@awful.systems 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I'm ok with this because everytime Nick Bostrom's name is used publicly to defend anything, and then I show people what Nick Bostrom believes and writes, I robustly get a, "What the fuck is this shit? And these people are associated with him? Fuck that."

[–] imadabouzu@awful.systems 10 points 3 months ago

It can't stop the usage, it can raise the cost of doing so, by bringing in legal risk of operations operating in a public way. It can create precedence that can be built upon by other parts.

Politics and law move slower than and behind the things it attempts to regulate by design. Which is good, the atlernative is a surveilance state! But it definitely can arrange itself to punish or raise the risk profile of doing something in a certain patterned way.

[–] imadabouzu@awful.systems 7 points 3 months ago

Honestly, almost anything can work. Some, sort of flash card system, and some, sort of input in the language that you enjoy. I use Anki and yes it's trash but I have never found spending anymore than the least necessary time on the tech of language learning worth it.

The crucial thing, in my experience, is that language acquisition only works if you're paying attention because you actually care about the material in front of you. I think a lot of people make the mistake of only studying aspirationally and well beyond their current capacity, forgetting how to be a child and be highly curative and explorative. Weird shit, even practically unuseful shit, is surprisingly better than you'd think.

[–] imadabouzu@awful.systems 1 points 3 months ago

Fwiw, this is also why I -do- think it's important to talk more frankly about where science is moving towards ala things like FEP or scale free dynamics. An alternative story on things like what energy, computation, and participation really means, is useful, not for prescribing the future, but the opposite: putting ambiguity and the importance of participation back in it.

The current world view, that some how things are cleanly separated and in nice little ontological boxes of capability and shape and form, lead to closed systems delusions. It's fragile and we know it, I hope. Von Neuman's "last invention" is wrong because most, unfortunately, most "smart people's" view of intelligence has become reductive in liu of a bigger picture.

In addition to our sneers, we should want to tell a more robust story about all of these things.

[–] imadabouzu@awful.systems 11 points 3 months ago

Kurzgesagt

Yeah I'm not surprised. Kurzgesagt has always had that sort of forced, fragile, veneer of optimism and scientific inquiry that can only be described as "all I can imagine about the future I read about in the 60s".

[–] imadabouzu@awful.systems 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

RE: the ip perspective on brains,

From my perspective, science is catching up on this - in pockets. It goes under a lot of different names, and to be honest it's be around in many forms for a long time. I highly, highly recommend catching up on Dr. Michael Levin and related work on this. There is still levels of speculation here, but there's hard science and empirical observation that broadly, the neuro story on memory synapses doesn't work. The alternative, that nearly every part of the body is both capable of independent problem solving and memory, puts actionable medical alternatives on the table.

The long story is that memory appears entirely to be opportunistic. Memory can and is stored in virtually everything that a body gets access to, internally AND externally. The brain's main function is to re-imagine and reinterpret memory, not to be dictated by it. A memory isn't a fact in a broad sense, it's a dynamic that acts on the body. This is different in many ways from the hard division we try to make in modern computer design (although I'd argue that even the difference between memory and instruction in von neuman design continues to fall apart over time).

That said, and i realize this is semantic linguistic issue, but I do believe brains are computers, but only in the broadest sense of what computation could be, not in the highly specific sense of them being digital von neuman devices. What's often missed in discussion about a computational world view is being clear to the reader that there is no privileged sort of computation. There's nothing at all special or privileged about what our digital von neuman machines are, other than in a sense them being metabolisms that are functionally different than us.

When I express that brains are computers, I like to add things like, "in the sense that dance is computation, or politics is economics, or matter is experience, or money is culture." Which is to say they can be different and yet the same, depending on entirely the perspective of what you mean by something "being" anything at all. (It's similar to why ontologies are both useful but always wrong).

The bitter truth though is that I don't think there is anything privileged about the human brain either -- but that doesn't come in the sense of there being no difference. I think quite the opposite, seeing many of /the other things/ as being capable, but being in its own sorts of attendance and meaning, provides much more rich questions of "why are we different, then?" Certainly more than presuming that it is capability of any particular thing that separates us from the other things.

Ultimately, I love artists because I want an ecosystem of art and artists and art admirers, and because I think respect should transcend form, not seek reductively the most commoditized realization of it.

In many ways... isn't this what indigenous cultures already more or less believed?

[–] imadabouzu@awful.systems 8 points 3 months ago

A certain class of idealists definitely feel this way, and it's why many decentralized efforts are fragile and fall apart. Because they can't meaningfully construct something without centralization or owners, they end up just hiding these things under a blanket rather than acknowledging them as design elements that require an intentional specification.

[–] imadabouzu@awful.systems 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I tend to agree. "No gods, no masters, no admins!" should never mean no assembly and no organization around constraints. Admins jobs isn't just to be capricious. Admins are there to set a tone and maintain it. There are places for random group chats of noise but honestly, pruning, as in gardening, is how you maintain organization. It doesn't feel great to be on the end of pruning but like seriously it should rarely be taken personally when we're talking about something like social media.

[–] imadabouzu@awful.systems 7 points 3 months ago

It’s just looking for a God or an afterlife without turning to religion.

Yes. Because they sneered so hard at /other/ things creating and living in their own meaning, the sneer came full circle, and they find themselves in a simulated jail being sneered at by things that sneer at things that create and live in their own meaning.

Basically, they looked in the mirror and sneered.

[–] imadabouzu@awful.systems 7 points 3 months ago

Oh absolutely! This is the entire delusion collapsing on itself.

Bro, if intelligence is, as the cult claims, fully contained self improvement, --you could never have mattered by definition--. If the system is closed, and you see the point of convergence up ahead... what does it even fucking matter?

This is why Pascal's wager defeats all forms of maximal utilitarianism. Again, if the system is closed around a set of known alternatives, then yes. It doesn't matter anymore. You don't even need intelligence to do this. You can do with sticks and stones by imagining away all the other things.

[–] imadabouzu@awful.systems 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's the same story as has ever been. "Smart People"'s position on anything is often informed by their current economic relationship wrt to the things they care about. And maybe even Yud isn't super happy about his profession being co-opted. What scraps will he have if his own delusions became true about GPT zombies replacing "authentic voices"?

No one is immune to seeing a better take when it's their shit on the line, and no is immune from being in a bubble without stake.

[–] imadabouzu@awful.systems 6 points 3 months ago

Yeah, that's a good call out, I do feel the meta is good obsession is ~~borderline~~ definitely cultish.

There's a big difference between a committed scientists doing emperical work on specific mechanisms saying something like "wow, isn't it cool how considering a broader perspective of how unrelated parts work together to create this newly discovered set of specifics?" and someone who is committed anti-institutional saying "see how by me taking your money and offering vague promises of immortal we are all enriched?"

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