bartolomeo

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[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Israel has killed more Israeli hostages than Hamas has.

How do you know this?

What caught me off guard was that Hamas attacked military targets (not exclusively though) and the total amount of children killed on Oct 7 (including Israeli friendly fire) was 36. Israel has destroyed 70% of Gaza's residential areas and killed over 13,000 children. 13,000 children! It seems the label "terrorist" was applied to the wrong side, especially when you consider the current situation in Rafah. Over a million people, starving, traumatized, not knowing when the next attack is coming and completely unable to defend themselves or even find a safe place. It's unconscionable.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

That sure sounds like the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Are you saying the world literally revolves around bankerbros? Well then if 2 pm becomes the middle of the night that's just the price we all have to pay to protect the profits of our bankerbros.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 2 points 6 months ago

Already in the 1920s the Labor movement disregarded its socialist roots and concentrated on building the nation by constructive action. According to Tzahor its leaders did not "abandon fundamental ideological principles".[15] However, according to Ze'ev Sternhell in his book The Founding Myths of Israel, the labor leaders had already abandoned socialist principles by 1920 and only used them as "mobilizing myths".

From the page Dataprolet linked.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 2 points 6 months ago

Fucking hell I didn't know it was that bad!

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 3 points 6 months ago

Thanks for finally putting up a link. It doesn't mention anything about Zionism, though, but a few links in it does say that

Zadoc Kahn presented the German Jewish philanthropist Baron Maurice de Hirsch with the project of setting up a Jewish settlement in Argentina, before JCA was created in 1891. Theodor Herzl considered it expensive and unrealistic. In 1896, when Hirsch died, the association owned a thousand square kilometers of land in the country on which lived a thousand households, the “Jewish gauchos”. It focused on agricultural settlements in Argentina until East European Jews were forbidden to emigrate there. In 1920, 150,000 Jews lived in Argentina[8] and new settlements appeared: (Lapin, Rivera), Entre Ríos (San Gregorio, Villa Domínguez, Carmel, Ingeniero Sajaroff, Villa Clara, and Villaguay),[9] and Santa Fe (Moisés Ville) (about 64% Jews lived in Entre Ríos.)[10]

Please remember that Jewish immigrants != Zionism and that Zionism is not the same a Judaism.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 4 points 6 months ago

Of those that came in contact with Europeans yes, I think so, but I'm not sure how, for example, the Lakota people came to be on the land they were before they came in contact with Europeans.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Thanks for the additional context.

Well, about Ariel Sharon (from Wikipedia)

An official enquiry found that he bore "personal responsibility" for the Sabra and Shatila massacre of Palestinian refugees, for which he became known as the "Butcher of Beirut" among Arabs. He was subsequently removed as defense minister.

And Begin

was described by the British government as the "leader of the notorious terrorist organisation".

And there was a famous open letter published (the one signed by Einstein, among others) that

described Begin's Herut party as "terrorist, right-wing chauvinist organization in Palestine,"[34] "closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties" and accused his group (along with the smaller, militant, Stern Gang) of preaching "racial superiority" and having "inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community".

And those guys held the highest government office of Israel! It might be weird but it's not uncommon, especially if you look into other government posts too. Like I said, the more you look into it the worse it gets.

Edit: another example

In 1915, Pinhas Felix Rosenblüth, who rose to be Israel's first Justice Minister, wrote in a field report on Ostjuden published in Der Jüdische Student that the great lesson for young Jewish Zionists fighting on the eastern front, on experiencing delusions at what they observe of Jewish life there, was that Palestine was one large "institute for the fumigation of (all) Jewish vermin" (Große Entlausungsanstalt für alles jüdische Ungeziefer).

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Stop deflecting. It seems like you don't have any answers.

Spain had no right to colonize what is now Argentina. Stealing land is wrong, genocide is wrong. These are not difficult concepts and they apply to everyone.

Still waiting to hear about Zionists planning to establish Israel in Argentina.

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