Thanks for mentioning Calyx OS.. Added it here:
slrpnk.net/post/14841773
Thanks for mentioning Calyx OS.. Added it here:
slrpnk.net/post/14841773
but your conclusion doesn’t match your title.
The title is the thesis (thus conclusion). Are you saying the raw figures contradict that? I believe boycotting Google and MS are a pathway to a better environment, even if the footprint is bigger in the short-term. We really don’t have accurate figures to go off of because no one has researched the MS / Google specific footprint per email (AFAIK).
until we switch back to email.
The transition for activists goes like this: MS email (2023) → paper mail (2024) → non-MS email (future)
The only way physical mail could be environmentally-preferable is if we lived in a fantasy world where all mail is local and the mailman rides a bike. Unfortunately, that is not the case.
In my city it is the fantasy you describe. Postal workers are on foot or bicycle for the most part. It’s likely uncommon from a worldwide standpoint but I’m talking about a campaign anyway, not necessarily a permanent transition.
You’re assuming the paper option is the end game, as opposed to a driver for better email.
An “email protest” will not work because they do not care about the individual user.
You don’t really know to what extent the office worker who receives the letter cares. Office workers are largely helpless to make changes from the inside on their own initiative, but if the will is there and they get a complaint from the outside, then the insider who cares is happy to amplify the complaint using the outside complaint as their excuse so that it does not appear to be from them. Your complaint empowers insider pawns to act. Even if the insider pawn does not care about the environment, they still hate having to deal with paper letters (scanning and filing, then stuffing envelopes and applying postage). Then the org has to buy return postage. They hate it to the point that they look for ways to pass costs back onto the consumer. It’s enough disturbance to compel questions about why the electronic system is not working. I will state right in my letters “could not get past your CAPTCHA” or “I don’t do CAPTCHAs”. (btw, most CAPTCHAs are graphical and have a higher GHG footprint than a letter)
Everything you do results in a signal. When you vote in an election, you send a signal that the voting system is working. When you send an email, you signal that email is working and that you are onboard with it. In my case as an admin of my own mail server, I am actually blocked from MS and Google mail servers. So I add that to the msg “could not email you because your server blocked me likely due to an overly aggressive anti-spam policy”. (Of course tech folks know anti-spam is the excuse that ppl just accept without question.. it’s really about the bottom line of MS reducing the cost of spam mitigation using sloppy techniques that are high in collateral damage because it has the side-effect of forcing more people onto the platforms of tech giants which effectively grows the monopoly).
For me email to MS and Google users is trivially wholly the wrong answer as climate is not my sole issue. Feeding my oppressors (surveillance advertisers) is a hard NO anyway. Perhaps my stance is a hard-sell to folks who narrowly care about the environment but not privacy, consumer rights, tech rights, etc. So I am curious what people think strictly from the environmental case that I’ve made.
You said it yourself that most companies use these services so unless you can convince thousands of IT admins to pull the plug, the only impact will be a slight increase in emissions from paper mail.
Dropping off a paper letter is like a ballot. You are voting against whatever shitty digital system they are attempting. It’s important to support analog systems for at least as long as the digital systems are in a shitty state. So it’s not just a vote against crappy tech but simultaneously a vote that says “we need to keep analog mechanisms around”. But unlike voting, you need not have a majority. You just need to get attention, which could happen with a well written letter amid a few other letters perhaps w/out reason and the right receiving staff. If the recipient does not give a shit, then indeed it takes enough paper letters to impact the bottom line before they start asking questions, assuming they care about the bottom line.
Sure, but what about the recipient? You overlooked ¶2. It’s not your choice what the other person uses. Of course if the other person has chosen well, and you have also chosen well, then email is the right answer in that very rare case.
I do an MX lookup every time I need to reach an agency or company. My script output looks like this:
$ lookup someone_i_need_reach@govagency.tld
(fail) no PGP key found in public key servers!
(fail) E-mail content is shared with 'Microsoft Corporation', a PRISM company! Output from dig:
10 govagency-tld.mail.protection.outlook.com.
I think we are in the 95% territory for their provider being Google or MS (usually MS; Google is more common for individuals). The vanity addresses are deceiving.
That reminds me of another possible action. I sometimes provide an onion email address and/or an XMPP address with my correspondence. MS and Google cannot handle onion email addresses or XMPP, so this is a way to give recipients a digital option while preventing MS and Google as MitMs. If they are driven enough to use the email, they will be forced to use a better provider.
From our side we can already do many things. For example using cash helps. using a crypto like monero through a decentralized wallet helps, delaying to obtain a digital Id (wherever this is possible) helps. And we learn as we go!
Yeah indeed we need more cash and/or cryptocurrency users. More speciifically, fewer bank users. It’s really a tough sell because people are so hooked on convenience. And I think that convenience is so powerful that it manufactures a good dose of bias that prevents the convenience zombies from absorbing anything bad news about banks. This is compounded with the addiction to Amazon.
The old laptop is the same one I use for all computing. So using an SBC would just add to the energy consumption.
But an SBC could be interesting anyway because there could be moments when I would want a phone to connect without the laptop dependency. So I would be interested in hearing how it works. Does the SBC also charge the phone over USB? Does the reverse tethering software exist that can run on an SBC? It would be cool to have this configuration:
phone → USB → SBC → ethernet → router…
Especially cool if the SBC could run Tor and proxy all traffic over Tor (though I suppose that job would best be served by the router).
I’m surprised to hear a phone for $100 referred to as cheap. But I suppose it is relative to some phones fetching 4 figures. Crazy! In the past I would go to the shop of a carrier and ask what they have in the backroom which is still new in box but not current enough to expose on the store shelves. I got new phones between $5 and $20 this way, which were only 1 or 2 Android versions behind.
That’s still not good. It’s frugal but it still feeds the 1st hand market when the 2nd hand market is absolutely flooded with phones no one wants. Going forward, every phone I buy will be 2nd hand.
The street markets are flooded with cameras (both digital and film). If you’re not fussy about pocket space that could be worth considering.
I believe you were suggesting to post lemmy bugs in !lemmy@lemmy.ml, which is in an instance I generally avoid. It’s a fair enough suggestion but !bugs@sopuli.xyz is catch-all place where people can report bugs if they object to the official channels. I don’t expect bugs I post here to be seen by the right people but for me It’s enough to just get the issue recorded somewhere.
I avoid all centralized Cloudflare nodes. The lemmy.ml is no longer centralized by CF, but some would say it’s still centralized by disproportionate size inequality. It’s kind of a borderline case but I try to favor the instances that are nowhere near being part of the centralization/network effect problem.
There are some brands that align with the mason convention. It’s rare though. I think a couple tomato sauce producers and then you have tiny canning operations producing “homemade” jam. They get my business just for that reason. Apart from those sparse cases it’s a mess.
What you suggest is only part of the equation. Unless you’re cultivating mushrooms, you would only want to keep a dozen or so jars anyway. So they would need to charge 10¢ per jar at the cash register, then give you 10¢ back for every jar you return. In the beer bottle context, you put the bottle in a machine which scans the barcode of the label. If it matches a list of beers that are in thicker reusable bottles, it gives you 10¢ credit (or 40¢ if it’s the kind with a clamp down cap). Each bottle goes back to the brewery which then has industrial bottle washers, and a laser that detects fractures and discards. Some beer makers opt to use the thinner more fragile bottles. You are not charged extra and can only recycle (not reuse) the glass. I don’t know what the incentive is for breweries to use the reusable ones, but that incentive would need to be given to all canning companies who opt-in.
I guess it would be hard to mandate because importers would be outraged. You can get all importers on board with English incredients labels (just a sticker) but forcing them to change the container would probably be a show-stopper. OTOH, if one country does it first they could get away with setting a standard for the world. Hopefully the standard sizes would be metric.
It’s notable how Europe twisted Dell’s arm. Europe said Dell machines cannot enter unless they disassemble quickly and trivially for waste separation. Dell was outraged, resisted, did not want to have a separate assembly line for Europe, then gave in to the demand. Dell came to realise that forcing easy disassembly meant things had to snap together without screws, which in fact made it much cheaper to assemble as well. Ultimately Dell saved a lot of money on production and made the machines snap together worldwide. So forcing importers to do better could be viable anyway.
money is only effective as the voters who react to it.
Money is always effective because you always have voters.
It can’t literally make votes it can only advertise.
Of course. The job of the money is not to make votes, but to influence the pool of voters. Advertising works wonders on people. Voters and influence on voters are independent variables, both of which you will always have.
Thanks for the update!
The most stark demonstration of money buying politicians seems to be with AIPAC. It happens often enough that a US politician who goes against Israel gets ousted that there’s even verb for it: AIPACed. AIPAC blows a fortune on the campaign of whoever runs against anyone who opposes Israel in any way -- and they apparently get their way every time.
Also interesting to note that most American Jews are liberal democrats who oppose AIPAC. But what can you do against a massive war chest like that?