Zyansheep

Arguing that capitalism being allowed in China makes it capitalist would be akin to arguing that having social services such as public healthcare makes Canada communist.

I'd totally argue that having public healthcare, publicly-owned infrastructure, makes Canada or the US socialist lol. Technically the "workers" don't directly own the particular publicly-owned means of production, but they definitely do have a say in how it is run through their vote.

Anyway...

Given that you say China is socialist (which seems insane given it is literally an authoritarian state: the workers don't own the means of production, the state does!), my original question:

"Can you point to an example of a socialist country (by your definition of socialist) that is superior in a certain industry innovation-wise compared to a capitalist (by your definition of capitalist) country?"

Seems kind of stupid given that China is definitely leading in certain industries compared to more "capitalist" (US, EU, etc.) nations. (Mainly manufacturing industries).

So I'll ask a different question.

Given all the pro-china arguments you've listed. Would you want to live there if you got the chance? And if so/if not, why?

I understand how capitalist competition often ends in monopoly, at least until the government steps in with anti-trust or there is significant innovation to undermine the monopoly. I wouldn't say this is the defining characteristic of capitalism because I use the word to describe countries that aren't total free markets because there aren't any countries that have totally free markets.

You didn't answer my question though, you just gave a list of countries (some of which, like China, I question are socialist at all). Are there any countries where "working class holds power, and the core economy of the country is either publicly or cooperatively owned" that have out-innovated countries that use capitalism?

What is the primary force that spurs innovation in a socialist country and how does it compare to the force that spurs innovation in a capitalist country?

Perhaps you are right, but wouldn't the perfect health pill help with that?

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Category theory is awesome!

2: This is genuinely a curse; You will remember every little thing that happens to you and it will haunt you forevermore.

Wouldn't perfect memory recall just let you recall memories, not necessarily be forced to recall them? Whether or not you chose to do it or it haunts you seems more like a matter of mental health...

Can you point to an example of a socialist country (by your definition of socialist) that is superior in a certain industry innovation-wise compared to a capitalist (by your definition of capitalist) country?

Also, Idk what you define capitalism as, but I'm pretty sure meriam webster doesn't call it "a system for concentrating wealth". That might be a common result for many types of capitalism, but it is not the defining characteristic.

I say let the private companies try to make their money, the cost of driving should reflect its true cost to society to push people towards more sustainable options. And once there are less people on the road, existing tolls will have no choice but to set pricing competatively or die (b.c. traffic wouldn't be a concern anymore)

Maybe I'm a bit extreme in my position, but I really hate cars for so many reasons...

I don't think government funded roads typically improve traffic either lol, only public transit and better city design is gonna do that.

Isn't there an open source apl you can download that accesses the activity API and shows how much you use different apps?

How about not ending capitalism, but trying as hard as possible to anticipate and balance the negative effects of wealth concentration with the overall beneficial effects of competative innovation?

They fixed it recently I believe.

I think the government shouldn't pay for roads... they should pay for much more efficient forms of transportation like trains, buses, and bicycle infrastructure.