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[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 1 points 17 hours ago

I don't see that as a problem. A scrum exists to restart the game with a contest for the ball when there has been a mistake such as a knock-on, forward pass etc. If you claim a free-kick, then you should have to kick it - it's in the name.

The problem with scrums is they lead to penalties - so in effect you start penalising knock-ons, or other phases of rugby that are accidental. And the scrum penalties are awfully inconsistent - you saw it in France v New Zealand tonight. Sometimes an immediate penalty, other times 2 scrums could look identical and one would get penalised the other wouldn't. Its just bad for the game to have that sort of inconsistency.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 2 points 17 hours ago

Yeah that sort of thing got penalised in SR.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty messy game of Rugby in France v NZ. Another international game where territory was 50% plus determined by the referee not the players which I personally hate. I think Barrett's 2 decisions to go for 3 and get it close rather than attempt to get the points that would win the game were mistakes.

Razor also did not select well for this match. Jordan is not in form at 15, and Reece is very out of form at 14. Both players made mistakes that led to massive territory or points to France. Given how well McKenzie played against Ireland I still think the better selection was Jordan at 14 with Barrett at 15.

Finau's early injury forcing Lakai to play 78 minutes probably meant the bench impact wasn't as good as the last two weeks; though having said that the loose forwards looked really good even once when they were rejigged. But I think they really missed Cane's leadership at times in that game - at points looked a bit panicked.

It sounds weird given they got 30 points, but I think in a way France won without having to do too much. The big thing was absorb the pressure, their counter-attack was full of pace and very effective and in the last 60 minutes their defence was very strong. So long as they just managed to stay on the right side of the ref they got the W.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 2 points 20 hours ago

Yeah you shouldn't be leaking 3 tries to a team like Portugal really, but oftentimes games like that can kinda degenerate to somewhere in between each teams level.

Re England, I'm starting to wonder if its possible that the age of the rush/blitz defence might be coming to an end and that's why they're adapting already having just perfected it 6 months ago.

Teams might have finally worked out how to stress it enough that unless you're a Springboks with a whole replacement forward pack on the bench you just can't maintain it for more than 70 minutes. Too early to tell yet, but the next full calendar year of games will be interesting to see how things change. Though WR's foolish adjustment to refereeing escorts might counter any gains attack have had as teams can just go back to YOLO up a kick to relieve pressure.

Haven't decided if I can be bothered watching the ABs game or not, feels like a somewhat unproductive use of time watching footie during the daylight hours.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 3 points 21 hours ago

I would like the time for all kicks reduced even further, 60 seconds is way too long. 10s are able to drop kick at a snap and there's been recent instances where the ball drops off the T, and the 10 resets it and kicks in about 10-15 seconds. We need to be less precious about kicks and stop making it some sacred moment. Reward kickers who can get the ball away accurately at speed, rather than giving them time for a meditation and moment of zen.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 2 points 21 hours ago

Yup, was trialled during Super Rugby and the 9 basically becomes a protected species; effectively you can't get in their way, drag them in, push them out, interfere with getting the ball away at all.

At times it felt like it was going too far but did make for cleaner ball and more play, less of the dumb stuff that just interrupts the action.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 1 points 21 hours ago

None of the changes in the article impact the importance of the scrum in the slightest; all it means is less fake injuries, water breaks and pissing about setting them up.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 2 points 21 hours ago

Looks to me like Ireland's old bodies aren't going the distance and they're not getting a lot out of their bench so far. Probably similar to the ABs they should have started getting more experience into some of the players sooner.

This is what Razor & the coaches have gone with:

1.    Tamaiti Williams (17)
2.    Codie Taylor (93) 3.    Tyrel Lomax (42)
4.    Scott Barrett (78) (Captain)
5.    Tupou Vaa’i (36)
6.    Samipeni Finau (7)
7.    Ardie Savea (92) (Vice-Captain) 8. Wallace Sititi (8) 9.    Cam Roigard (8) 10.  Beauden Barrett (132) 11.  Caleb Clarke (27)
12.  Jordie Barrett (67) (Vice-Captain) 13.  Rieko Ioane (79)
14.  Sevu Reece (31) 15.  Will Jordan (39)

16.  Asafo Aumua (18) 17. Ofa Tu’ungafasi (66) 18. Pasilio Tosi (6)
19. Patrick Tuipulotu (49)
20. Peter Lakai (1)
21.  Cortez Ratima (10)
22. Anton Lienert-Brown (82)
23.  Damian McKenzie (60)

With Ardie moving to 7 this could well be a sign of the future - particularly as the most balanced loose forward trio would see him at 7 for Moana Pasifika next year as well to ensure Inisi gets plenty of game time at 8. I feel like Ratima is a bit unlucky, he didn't get much from the forwards against Ireland, and while Roigard definitely got the ball out of the ruck cleaner & faster, the passes were often going quite high so by the time it was in McKenzie's hands it wasn't a great deal better than Ratima's service. Still, Roigard is the future starting 9 - he's just too good to leave out now he's fully recovered from injury.

The only things I would have done differently was to play McKenzie at 10 so Beauden could play 15 and give us a good kicking option. As it stands, if i'm France i'm just kicking into Sevu Reece's side of the back field all game, piling territorial pressure on. Jordan's kicking game has been very weak from Fullback in the internationals since he returned from injury so that puts the whole responsibility on BB to track back and deal with it.

With that positional switch, i'd have liked to see Jordan at 14, and then Love or Perofeta on the bench. But Razor's kinda one-track minded on Jordan is our best 15, even though a lot of us kiwis would see that as more of a situational/depending on the opposition type thing and it ignores how incredibly successful he has been at 14 over his time in the jersey.

i'm becoming a linux nerd and this power button thing would be fine for me bc ive discovered how good suspend is and never power off my desktop anymore anyway, just spend then bump the keyboard when i want it back.

Wouldn't you just pull the power cord at that point? If the device has become completely unmanageable such that it needs a power reset i'd be surprised if there's much more harm that way than holding down the power button until it turns off.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I can't remember where I watched it - but I saw some video a while ago now where (I think) the engineer was explaining that shutdown & power on does less of a cleanout than restart on Windows. Something to do with shutdown going through steps more similar to a sleep/suspend than restart. Made little sense to me but would be interesting to see if post restart or post power-on the computer was "fresher"

 

Just starting an early thread as there's injury news that will impact the weekend.

 

The NZ based franchises & Moana Pasifika are all announcing their squads for the 2025 season today. On the hour, in NZDT:

  • Hurricanes 10am
  • Crusaders 11am
  • Chiefs 12pm
  • Moana Pasifika 1pm
  • Highlanders 2pm
  • Blues 3pm
 

I hated Cheika when he was the Wallabies coach and having ding dong battles with the ABs. But since he's coached around the place and learning a lot more about his story i've begun to find him a much more interesting and charming coach than I ever gave him credit for.

This is a great interview, well worth a listen and i'm so far barely half way through it.

 

I guess week 1 was really NZ v Japan last week, but somehow I don't think that really counts.

Ran out of puff at the end of the NPC so haven't been posting much, but lets have a thread to discuss this weekend's matches.

 

Super Rugby obviously has a bit of a weird structure now with only 11 teams after the Melbourne Rebels collapsed.

It got me thinking a bit about what NZR & ARU could change assuming no other countries are going to join, and one thing I wondered was whether New Zealand should deliberately weaken our Super franchises to help make the Australian ones more competitive & hopefully make their public a bit more interested (if they win more).

So I started to think about what the population spread was like around New Zealand and one thing that really sticks out is how bottom heavy our current distribution of clubs is. 1 million punters in the South Island get 2 franchises, but 4.5m odd North Islanders only get 3 + Moana Pasifika. Its actually a bit silly that the Highlanders still exist given the population shifts since the 90s.

Anyway, that made me wonder if it might be possible to in effect add a 6th New Zealand franchise - which including MP would make 7 based in New Zealand in total, so came up with this before & after table to show how its a much more equitable split. And then 7 NZ, 4 Aus & 1 Fiji gets us back to 12 Franchises and at least in NZ gets more games in front of more people.

Super Franchise Population Approx Provinces Population (2018) Stadiums Capacity
Auckland Blues 1850k Northland 186k Semenoff Stadium 19k
Counties-Manukau ^1^ Navigation Homes Stadium 12k
North Harbour ^1^ North Harbour Stadium 25k
Auckland 1655k Eden Park 50k
Waikato Chiefs 920k Bay of Plenty 321k Rotorua International Stadium, Mercury Baypark 26k & 20k
Waikato 476k FMG Stadium 25k
Taranaki 121k Yarrow Stadium 25k
Wellington Hurricanes 950k Hawke’s Bay 172k McLean Park 24k
Manawatū 248k^2^ Arena Manawatu 15k
Wellington 526k Sky Stadium 35k
Canterbury Crusaders 725k Tasman 103k^3^ Trafalgar Park 18k
Canterbury 623k One NZ Stadium^4^ 30k
Otago Highlanders 335k Otago 235k Forsyth Barr Stadium 31k
Southland 101k Rugby Park 17k
Moana Pasifika^5^ - North Harbour based - North Harbour Stadium 25k
  • 1 Included with Auckland.
  • 2 Includes Whanganui in the census data.
  • 3 From 2026 I think the new stadium is supposed to be in use.
  • 4 Includes Marlborough, same as the NPC Province
  • 5 Moana Pasifika are currently, and for the forseeable future going to be playing most of their matches in New Zealand, neither Samoa nor Tonga have stadiums and infrastructure setup to host like Fiji Drua have.
  • Population regions not included:
    • Gisborne 50k - because its quite remote from either Hurricanes or Chiefs
    • West Coast South Island 32k - because its remote from everywhere
New Regional Franchise Provinces Population Approx Stadiums
Auckland North Northland 850k Semenoff Stadium
North Harbour North Harbour Stadium
Auckland South Auckland 850k Eden Park
Counties-Manukau Navigation Homes Stadium
West North Island Waikato 600k FMG Stadium
Taranaki Yarrow Stadium
East North Island Bay of Plenty 550k^6^ Rotorua International Stadium, Mercury Baypark
Hawke’s Bay McLean Park
Bottom North Island Wellington 770k Sky Stadium
Manawatū Arena Manawatu
Canterbury Crusaders Tasman 725k Trafalgar Park
Canterbury One NZ Stadium
Otago Highlanders Otago 335k Forsyth Barr Stadium
Southland Rugby Park
  • 6 I included Gisborne population in this one as with a franchise based in this part of the country they are a bit more included than they are with the Chiefs or Hurricanes.
 

Table:

Pos. Team P W B PTS
1 Tasman 9 8 5 37
2 Wellington 9 7 7 35
3 Taranaki 9 7 7 35
4 BoP 9 6 9 33
5 Hawke's Bay 9 6 8 32
6 Waikato 9 5 8 28
7 Canterbury 9 5 5 25
8 Counties-Manukau 9 4 7 23
9 North Harbour 9 3 11 23
10 Otago 9 4 5 21
11 Auckland 9 3 7 19
12 Northland 9 2 5 13
13 Southland 9 2 4 12
14 Manawatū 9 1 5 9

Fixtures: 4/10:

  • Northland v Otago

5/10:

  • Manawatū v Counties-Manukau
  • Southland v North Harbour
  • Wellington v Hawke's Bay
  • Canterbury v Waikato

6/10:

  • Tasman v Taranaki
  • Auckland v Bay of Plenty

Notes: Auckland managing to fail against Hawke's Bay on the Saturday didn't bode well for their effort to take the shield off Tasman, and sure enough they failed again so bar a miracle where they manage to beat BoP and the two worst teams pick up wins they're out. Ditto for Otago.

The drama in this round is basically down to how many bonus points North Harbour pick up against Southland, compared to Counties-Manukau against the Manawatū Turbos who are awful.

Beyond that there's still another couple of big games. Given recent form Hawke's Bay are unlikely to be much of a challenge for Wellington, but the Tasman v Taranaki game should determine who gets 2nd place and later that day Waikato & Canterbury are basically playing to determine which team they have to travel to for the quarter finals.

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NZ NPC Round 8 (lemmy.nz)
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Table:

Pos. Team P W B PTS
1 Wellington 8 7 7 35
2 Tasman 7 7 4 32
3 Taranaki 8 6 6 30
4 BoP 8 5 8 28
5 Hawke's Bay 8 5 7 27
6 Canterbury 8 5 5 25
7 Waikato 8 4 7 23
8 Counties-Manukau 8 3 6 18
9 North Harbour 8 2 10 18
10 Auckland 7 3 5 17
11 Otago 8 3 4 16
12 Northland 8 2 5 13
13 Southland 8 2 4 12
14 Manawatū 8 1 3 7

Fixtures: 27/09:

  • Counties-Manukau v Wellington

28/09:

  • BoP v Northland
  • Hawke's Bay v Auckland
  • Otago v Tasman

29/09:

  • North Harbour v Canterbury
  • Southland v Waikato
  • Taranaki v Manawatū

2/10:

  • Tasman v Auckland

Predictions:

  • Wellington 15+
  • BoP 21+
  • Hawke's Bay 1-^1^
  • Tasman 12+
  • North Harbour 6-
  • Waikato 12+
  • Taranaki 50+

1 - I don't know if Folau Fakatava is back from injury yet or not; he's been out the last two games and without him as a 2nd playmaker my Magpies have been dreadful. No ability to relieve pressure means two massive hidings in a row. This is a prediction from the heart, not the head :)

Notes:

Its now the second to last round, and mathematically probably only Manawatū are definitively outside of the top 8, but I think we can assume that Northland and Southland are also no chance given at best they can only be expecting to win 1/2.

Otago are also only likely to win 1 more match so there's the 4 wooden spooners confirmed and we only need to pick two more teams to stay or slip out of the top 8.

Auckland have had a terrible season, but have 3 games in hand, so could pick up another 15 points, except they are playing Hawke's Bay, Tasman & BoP so are only likely to win 1, they should finish somewhere around 24 points.

North Harbour could beat Canterbury, and should beat Southland so are potentially looking at a points upside of 6-10 points, but Counties-Manukau have a guaranteed win against Manawatū so for Harbour to make it they really need to push for a win against the Rams.

Waikato should pick up another 4-5 points against Southland, even if they lose to Canterbury the following week so are probably safe.

So, weirdly the two other teams that are at some risk are Hawke's Bay & Canterbury, purely because neither of their next two games are guaranteed wins. The Rams are probably more likely to get a win given the Magpies woeful form since losing the Shield, but i'd say both of them are likely safe - even if the 'pies get the job done with bonus points rather than wins.

As for the top of the table, well with a game in hand, the high spending Tasman Makos are most likely to take 1st place again, followed by Wellington. Taranaki & BoP will both get wins this round, so if Auckland continue to suck and Tasman continue to be good, BoP will secure 3rd in the final game of the round-robin ahead of the playoffs.

 
  • All Blacks v Wallabies
  • Argentina v South Africa

Big news ahead of Bledisloe 1 is that Beauden Barrett is out with illness which sees Jordan move to 15, Reece comes on at 14 with Harry Plumber being named on the reserve bench.

That suggests he’s leapt ahead of Havili as the utility player - and in a way it actually does make a lot of sense. Jordan, JB & McKenzie give 3 options at 15, Plumber gives cover at 10 & 12, and ALB gives 12 & 13 cover with the option of Ioane heading to the wing too. Very versatile backs.

 

Table:

Pos. Team P W B PTS
1 Wellington 7 6 6 30
2 Tasman 6 6 4 28
3 BoP 7 5 7 27
4 Hawke's Bay 7 5 7 27
5 Waikato 7 4 6 22
6 Taranaki 7 4 4 20
7 Canterbury 7 4 4 20
8 Counties-Manukau 7 3 5 17
9 North Harbour 6 2 8 16
10 Southland 7 2 4 12
11 Otago 7 2 4 12
12 Auckland 6 2 4 12
13 Northland 7 1 4 8
14 Manawatū 7 1 3 7

Fixtures:

20/09

  • Hawke's Bay v Taranaki

21/09

  • Northland v North Harbour
  • Canterbury v Counties-Manukau
  • Wellington v BoP

22/09

  • Waikato v Tasman
  • Auckland v Southland
  • Manawatū v Otago

25/09

  • Taranaki v North Harbour

Predictions:

  • Hawke's Bay 3+ (going with my heart on this one bc after last weekend, the head says its going to be a struggle)
  • North Harbour 14+
  • Canterbury 10+
  • Wellington 4+
  • Tasman 10+
  • Auckland 10+
  • Otago 5+
  • Taranaki 10+

Notes: Including this weekend there are 3 rounds left until the quarter-finals, the current top 4 should make the top 8 though all of them would be hoping for at least 1 win from the next 3 matches. Especially with Tasman & Taranaki having a game in hand, the former should be eyeing up top of the table.

Of course, they're a very good team, and clearly well resourced given the talent they have signed up so anything outside of top 4 would have been a fail. I'd say the top 7 are probably going to make the playoffs and its really just about whether North Harbour or Counties-Manukau squeek in last place.

 

Write up from my old mate Max Rashbrooke on the success of the school lunch program, and the likely impacts of the cuts to the program from the National-Act-NZ First government.

 

Table:

Pos. Team P W B PTS
1 Wellington 6 6 6 30
2 Hawke's Bay 6 5 7 27
3 Tasman 5 5 3 23
4 BoP 6 4 6 22
5 Taranaki 5 4 4 20
6 Waikato 6 3 5 17
7 Canterbury 6 3 3 15
8 Otago 6 2 4 12
9 Counties-Manukau 6 2 4 12
10 North Harbour 5 1 7 11
11 Southland 5 2 7 11
12 Auckland 5 1 3 7
13 Northland 6 1 3 7
14 Manawatū 5 0 2 2

Fixtures:

13/09:

  • Southland v Canterbury

14/09:

  • BoP v Taranaki
  • North Harbour v Manawatū
  • Waikato v Hawke's Bay

15/09:

  • Counties-Manukau v Otago
  • Tasman v Wellington
  • Northland v Auckland

18/09:

  • Manawatū v Southland

Predictions: Canterbury 9- BoP 5+ North Harbour 25+ Hawke's Bay 5- Otago 5- Wellington 3+ Auckland 9- Southland 5-

Notes: Well, after the absolute tragedy that befell Hawke's Bay in their Shield defense against the Mako, i'm hoping Wellington will visit Nelson and at least ensure that Tasman only get to celebrate for a week.

That should be a hell of a game with all of the squad ABs being released to play for their provinces and Wellington have been very good so far this season.

Last weekend saw a lot of movement in the bottom half of the table - with lots of drama as well. See if you can find clip of wet-ball-gate from the Battle of the Bridge. Absolute dastardly shithousery robbed North Harbour.

There's plenty of other good matches ahead this weekend too - BoP v Taranaki should settle who's in 4th place, and the mid-week home game for the Turbos could be their only chance of picking up a win this season.

I'm glad the tests are over for this weekend, hopefully the rugby pundits down here will pay some attention to the NPC in their shows. But likely it'll get a passing mention while they spend 45 minutes talking up the Wobblies and then at the end of the season they'll have another moan about how nobody cares about the NPC.

 

Table:

Pos. Team P W B PTS
1 Hawke's Bay 5 5 5 25
2 Wellington 4 4 4 20
3 Tasman 4 4 3 19
4 BoP 5 3 5 17
5 Waikato 5 3 4 16
6 Taranaki 4 3 3 15
7 Southland 4 2 2 10
8 Otago 4 2 2 10
9 Canterbury 5 2 2 10
10 North Harbour 4 1 5 9
11 Northland 5 1 3 7
12 Counties-Manukau 5 1 3 7
13 Auckland 4 0 2 2
14 Manawatū 4 0 2 2

Fixtures: Friday 06/09: BoP v Manawatū

Saturday 07/09: Auckland v North Harbour Wellington v Southland Otago v Canterbury Hawke's Bay v Tasman (Ranfurly Shield)

Sunday 08/09: Taranaki v Waikato Counties-Manukau v Northland

Wednesday 11/09: Otago v Wellington

Notes: The biggest game this round is the Ranfurly Shield match on Saturday night, Tasman have never one it as the combined union of Marlborough/Nelson Bays so they'll be up for it; and of course Hawke's Bay will be desperate to keep their winning record. Whoever wins gets both the log o' wood and top of the table.

Other than that, there's a couple of other usually fierce derbies. The Battle of the Bridge on Satuurday, then Otago v Canterbury. Most of the rest of the matches aren't especially exciting.

My Predictions: BoP 24+ North Harbour 9- Wellington 18+ Otago 3- Hawke's Bay 3- Taranaki 9+ Northland 9- Wellington 6+

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