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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 31 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Bold assumptions in there.

Nothing says there have to be duplicated organs at all. You wouldn't necessarily even need two sets of lungs for them to be able to speak, just an air bladder that gets filled up without doing any major oxygenation. You could even have the "horse" lungs doing all the work for that too, without the need for a secondary air sac.

You could even do away with a full skeletal system in the upper section. Could be almost all muscle around some bones for support and mobility.

All that would be necessary for the upper part are digestive tubing, breathing tubing, and a skull on top of a section of something akin to vertebrae for turning the head itself.

Think of that human torso being a very complicated neck rather than a half of a human grown onto a horse.

Now, I would think that with the extra space, there would be something like a stomach in there to begin breaking things down before sending them along but that isn't mandatory for the basics to work.

Now, where things get interesting is reproduction. There's where you'd see some trippy arrangement to allow for birthing a baby. I've always thought that maybe the "human" part isn't developed the same. More of a lump of a head with stumpy little proto-arms that finish growing after birth. Just enough so they could run and eat, with the rest of the torso section slowly arising from its flesh prison fully during puberty.

They'd spend their first few years slowly growing the trunk and arms, allowing the muscles to develop over time.

Even if there are ribs, they wouldn't have to be attached to anything. They could just be under the muscles a little to give structure without the need to have organs to protect.

Also, how many sets of genitals do they have? Do the front and back have to match if there's genitals on both? There's sci-fi centaurs where the whole thing is way more complicated than you'd think.

[–] aeki 14 points 5 months ago

I never knew I wanted to know this much about centaurs.

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago

Think of that human torso being a very complicated neck rather than a half of a human grown onto a horse.

Now I can't stop thinking of centaurs as giraffes with arms stuck to their neck.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

You could even do away with a full skeletal system in the upper section. Could be almost all muscle around some bones for support and mobility.

Having more ribs isn't a problem for a mammal, those are pretty variable between species, unlike vertebrae. And thats quite a puzzle, how many go into the horse bit, and how many in the human bit? Obviously the horses "neck" and the humans lower back overlap, but it'll still be a puzzle. You'd end up with a less flexible body.

Now, I would think that with the extra space, there would be something like a stomach in there to begin breaking things down before sending them along but that isn't mandatory for the basics to work.

Why? Centaurs aren't ruminants, imagine eating grass with those poor underdeveloped human omnivore teeth, or stripping leafs with human lips, ouch. In fact, feeding a human brain and a horse body with a human mouth is going to be a LOT of work.

If you're going to do tentacle-arms without bones, the human part would basically need to be all muscle, with some weirdly deformed vertebra for shoulders.

And that leads me to another thing. It must have some very intricate blood-pumping systems, because centaur hands can't reach the ground unless they bend aaaaall the way down, like head to knees low. In order to actually use those hands, they'd have to be upside down for long periods, but also right side up for long periods. With a very thirsty human-stylr brain.

[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If the horse heart fails, the human heart might just be strong enough to keep the rest of the body alive as long as you don’t move much. Probably not a long term solution, but it’s better than nothing.

[–] NotMVD@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I am unsure whether centaurs have a joined or separate circulatory systems. Worst case - they're separate for horse & human body. But if they're joined, then I think a centaur may survive on 1 heart, as you've said.

[–] CoolGirl586@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Horse hearts are massive compared to human hearts. They would just die.

[–] NotMVD@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 5 months ago

Or human part will be alive, and not the horse part.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Good lord, how big is that football if the picture on the right is supposed to be the size of a fist??

I assume they don't mean an American football, but still. Seems like on the right is a child's heart.

[–] Pinklink@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Imagine a wounded centaur with the horse part dead and the human part just writhing on the ground fully alive. Morbidly hilarious that image is

[–] NotMVD@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 5 months ago

Yeah... honestly, it depends on how they're built. Because it might work on one of interpretation of the centaur's internal biology, but not on another. Still funny though.

[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, I figured that a platypus doesn’t have a separate system for the duck part and another one for the beaver part.

[–] NotMVD@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They also produce both eggs & milk, thus they can be enslaved for infinite supply of omelette.

[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago

Just add sugar and wheat to make some cake.

[–] user1234@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] NotMVD@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 5 months ago

Odds even out - they've got a second change(depends on their anatomy.)

[–] Bizarroland@kbin.social 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There's no way that a human heart would be able to pump enough blood to supply the full vascular needs of a thousand pound centaur.

Most likely, the human halfs heart is more of a vestigial organ or more of an assisting organ to help ensure that even under strenuous cardio that the brain receives enough blood flow to operate optimally.

The lung system though is definitely a weird one. I would be more inclined to believe that there are no lungs in the centaurs human half, maybe the areas that are lungs in a human would be something like a cud sack or some sort of extra biliary devices to increase the amount of acidity to break down their largely herbivorous appetite.

[–] BottleOfAlkahest@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The lungs could be in the human half but just be far larger than typical human lungs. If the organs in the lower part of a human torso are in the horse half it would make room for more lung in the human torso. I don't imagine you want too much room between the nose/mouth and the lungs if you can help it.

[–] Bizarroland@kbin.social 0 points 5 months ago

Good point! I was thinking kind of like giraffe, they obviously must have some sort of like very long breathing tube to make it from their head to their lungs.

Maybe centaurs have like some sort of gill system or whatever that would be for land walking mammals?

[–] VulKendov@reddthat.com 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Idk about that, 2 sets of internal organs just means there's twice as many that can fail

[–] NotMVD@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Or twice as many to sell. Now selling 3 kidneys per person won't be a problem.

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 2 points 5 months ago

Unless the changes in anatomy require more kidney activity. Consider how horses pee.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

That's not generally how we look at having, say, 2 kidneys.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

Centaurs are Klingons. Got it.

[–] JASN_DE@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Centaur Timelords confirmed.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 5 months ago

I've seen certain images that depict them having two sets of sex organs as well.