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Slack by default using messages, files etc for building and training LLM models (mastodon.social)

submitted 5 months ago by rinze@infosec.pub to c/techtakes@awful.systems

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cross-posted from: https://infosec.pub/post/12406642

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Absolutely unbelievable but here we are. #Slack by default using messages, files etc for building and training #LLM models, enabled by default and opting out requires a manual email from the workspace owner.

https://slack.com/intl/en-gb/trust/data-management/privacy-principles

What a time to be alive in IT. 🤦‍♂️

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[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What does this mean regarding their claims that data is encrypted at rest and in transit? https://slack.com/resources/why-use-slack/slacks-enterprise-security-features

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago

‘at rest’ → we're using filesystem encryption
‘in transit’ → we're using TLS

neither is end-to-end encryption, the data is not private to the service provider.

[–] cooljacob204@kbin.social 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's just a fancy way of saying they use tls, like the rest of the world.

They decrypt it once it hits their servers and do whatever they want with it.

[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

ah ok, so if it's not at rest and it's not in transit, what else is it?

[–] cooljacob204@kbin.social 1 points 5 months ago

In their database lol. I'm sure whatever file storage they use is encrypted but doesn't matter when you have the keys and can view all the data unencrypted.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago

vibing

[–] self@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

you see, your data can never be at rest if they’re constantly using it to train LLM models and exploiting it for other marketing purposes

…god this is stupid enough that I’m very sure I’m going to hear it in earnest from some AI shithead next time one of our threads hits all

[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 1 points 5 months ago

at rest, in transit, in plunder

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Has anyone used Mattermost? Has anyone switched to Mattermost? How's hosted Mattermost?

It passes the tickboxes of "actually open source" and "you can just buy hosting", but I don't know how it goes corporateishly