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Biden aimed a lot closer to the yellow line than he got; the fact he was able to achieve legislation for the blue line in our current corporate-whore government is a goddamned miracle
And yet somehow, instead of being mad at the elements of our government that blocked the yellow line, or asking who in government we can promote who’s further left than Biden and how we can realistically get those people into a position to win power, some people are purely angry at Biden about it
I wonder why
My thoughts exactly. 4 years of a democratic president (and Joe Manchin + Kyrsten Sinema being sticks in the mud) got the blue line to where it is now. That doesn’t mean it stays there forever. Another 4 years of a democratic executive and legislative branch will get us much closer to that yellow line.
We have to keep pushing forward and prevent the country from doing significant environmental backsliding like it did in 2016-2020.
be sure to also be mad at Hillary Clinton that also is relevant and a move towards progress
Nobody cares more about Hillary Clinton than the white twitter leftist who's still mad that their protest vote for stein didn't do shit to hold anyone accountable and just kick-started the new era of American backsliding.
That's my secret, spujb, I'm always mad at everyone
shits pants, rips off shirt, and punches a lobster in the face
Same reason people are pissed at Biden for every handling of that 100% falls within the domain of another governmental branch. Currently the executive branch is sorta Atlasing our entire government which requires them to severely overreach their powers opening them up to checks and balances by the other highly sabotaged branches that both seemingly wish to force our entire government to accomplish nothing. The most publicized example of this is three student loan forgiveness package that Biden's administration tried to pass that got blocked, though there are lots of other examples.
The reality is that the executive branch as a whole has very little long term reach and we need to be pressuring Congress to do literally anything at all. The only time I'm going to look at Biden and say "this is his fault" is when I see Congress pass a bill doing something like sending an aid package to Gaza and/or Ukraine, only to have him refuse to sign. Which I suspect he'd actually just sign something like that through. We'll never know for sure because two of our federal branches are too busy playing something vaguely resembling a game of football where the ball is a 50 lb boulder and everyone's screaming that they keep subbing their toes on on it.
Step 1: Vote for Biden now. Step 2: Vote for every Democrat. Do this until the Republican party is a smoking crater. Step 3:Then primary the fuck out of the AIPAC and oil-backed Democrats once you get past Step 2.
It's important to let the Democratic Party think they've got the levers of power, then shift the sands beneath them.
And of it doesn't work, at least you didn't get Trump, because no matter how bad the Democrats are, Trump and the Republican Party are so much worse.
Keep pushing it left until it's Democrats vs Democratic Socialists in the general election.
This is how you move the Overton window.
It’s certainly taking a page from the conservatives who moved it their way
I'm so happy to see someone saying these words. Please say more, I hope you're heard!
To play devil's advocate, this has been the strategy for decades and yet America has been moving to the right economically. Why would this time be any different? Would it not make sense that people with money would still be the ones the prevailing parties curtail to, not the public?
"how do I vote for the yellow line"
By voting towards the yellow line...
Nah man, got to go with the red line, maybe then the blue line will learn its lesson and will be closer to the yellow line /s
It's no wonder she lost to Trump.
No self-awareness whatsoever.
This is the fundamental message of the modern Democratic Party.
"Yes, you will still be boiled alive, but we will do it more slowly."
And what's extra hair-pullingly-frustrating about it all is that they'll get blamed for the boil anyway... which will result in Republicans winning and turning up the heat.
There's no way out. Its either a crew that will compromise and fritter away what time we have left or a crew that will pedal-to-the-metal straight off the cliff.
Just enough to get elected, never enough to solve the problem. Job security...
Imagine you live in a world where major voices of a political party is clearly expressing that their current guy will run down the world and thinks that it is a w, because the other guy is worse.
Thanks Dems, you fail the USA and the world at large! Literally ruining the only accessable livable planet. But w for not being trump!
Failure by design, not by accident.
I don't really understand this stance... I mean, yes I get what you are saying and that is exceedingly shitty you have to choose between bad and worse; but is there really "no difference"?
I mean, if you have to choose between leaving your loving family vs having your loving family killed... is it really the "same" choice?
conservative astroturfing. love it!
“why would she tweet that?”
because it’s important.
this post is so embarrassing and so is that response tweet. how did you want her to present this information? or did you just want her to shut up about the very topics which you self admittedly find to be critical?
reactionary posturing. not even a meme. for the love of everything you care for don’t let this shit affect your vote.
Honestly, she deserves credit for even showing the yellow line.
And to also show the whole right side of the graph.
She really could have cropped the picture differently to give it a spin, but she's being honest.
She's still salty that she lost. Meanwhile Bernie, cheated by her and her squad of idiots, is still in Congress so in his actual job. What's Hilary doing these days? Shilling?
Hillary didnt lose because she wasnt far enough left. She lost because she's unlikeable, couldnt generate enthusiasm like Obama could and because not enough people understood the danger Trump posed. The polls had her at around a 90% chance of winning and a lot of people didnt vote because "why bother? We have it in the bag anyway and I dont like her." Bernie's problem OTOH is that even if he got it, which was exceedingly unlikely DNC meddling or not, congress would have to be left enough not to completely derail and water down most of the things he wanted to do. Which there was a zero percent chance of. He's not a dictator. He has to actually work with like minded congress critters to get most things done.
Dems will vote for Biden because he'll only drink the blood of one baby while Trump drinks the blood of two.
I get the harm reduction argument but jesus fuck we have 300 million+ people in this country are those two really the best we have to offer?
Good lord why is this so hard.
Y’all want closer or further from target? Make your choice.
I would like Biden to move to the yellow line please. I’m voting for him anyways but yeah
In the last couple weeks, I've noticed a sudden and dramatic shift in tone with how Biden is talked about on Lemmy as well as other corners of the internet I lurk on(e.g. this comment section). Before, it seemed like the general opinion was "he's nowhere close to my 1st choice, but the alternative is Trump." And now I feel like people are a lot quicker to jump to his defense and treat him like one of the better presidents of our lifetime.
I'm gonna admit that I'm a lot less up to date and informed about politics than I should be, but where did this recent pivot on Biden come from?
Election date is getting closer, methinks. People are slowly transitioning from voicing their complaints to reminding everyone of their two options, or even to appreciating all that Biden has accomplished.
I haven't seen things saying he's good. I have seen it said, and said, that he's better than expected. It's just that the bar is too low. He might possibly be one of the better president, though not inspiring, just because there aren't many good ones. FDR is good from what I know of him, though I'm sure there's still plenty to complain about. Other than that, we haven't really had any leftist president's in the US. The fact that Biden has mostly been friendly towards unions is a nice change from standard US practice.
Basically, he's not great. He's what we've got. He's also better than it would seem like he would be if you paid attention to his political past.
He's not been perfect by any means, and is seriously bungling the Gaza situation to put it mildly, but he's absolutely been the best and most successful president in my lifetime so far, especially when it comes to making progressive steps.
Note that that doesn't mean he's great, but yeah, the bar is just absurdly low
Founding fathers: you will eat cheese or pepperoni pizza for the rest of your life.
Conservatives: so wise
Any rational person: there's better toppings out there.
Non americans: you guys eat pizza? Every night? Every single night??
It’s almost as if we could have voted for someone else in 2016. Someone interested in helping solve this problem.
The really bad part is that carbonbriefs analysis is that the Biden line is only the laws Biden has passed or is about to pass, before the election not being revoked by Trump. So if Biden actually gets elected he can and probably will do more, bringing the actual results much closer to the Target line. However being able to create a graph, seems to hard for a modern PR team.
Do we have to talk about how we move the Overton Window?
The Democrats can't do everything wanted when there's still a very real chance of losing the election. It's really that simple. If you want to move the Overton Window, you have to keep voting for the closest thing you want. When the Republicans know they can't win on their views, they will be forced to change. And congrats you have moved the Overton Window.
(yes yes I know the quote they won't abandon their views, they will abandon democracy, but as for now they still have a real chance of winning.)
If we need more convincing, why are we having stupid movements to disband the EPA? Because the republicans won elections. They moved the Overton window by winning elections.
this. how to vote yellow, but deluding yourself blue is unacceptable and not voting and getting red while you say "its not my fault, i wanted yellow" and live through the consequences.
The actual answer is to vote in local elections because they matter more to the country than presidential elections. If you have a house and Senate that vote the way you want the president doesn't actually matter that much. That's how Republicans undermine a Democratic president, and why they gerrymander.
You vote for the yellow by not letting red think they have a chance of winning, making room for a candidate better than blue in the future elections. Democracy is an ongoing effort, not a magic thing that happens on election day.
UHOH!
Somebody forgot to write a 1,000,000 word essay on how Republicans are worse then democrats before submitring one morsel of criticism against the Democratic party. Thus you are a secret Republican Russian.
No you don't get to ask for Ranked Choice voting to solve the spoiler effect. The spoiler effect must hover over your head every time you're in the voting booth. THIS. IS. DEMOCRACY. MANIFEST!
I see you left the voting booth without a big enough smile, it will be 10000% entirely your fault if the democrats weak willed attempts don't work out.
No you don't get to have any input. Taxation without representation is how this country was founded silly. This is just how it works here. Maybe when you grow up, you will realize the real adults, the real americans are the only ones responsible enough to control the nation until their last gasp on this planet. Of course it is right to continue shifting the Overton window to the right! This is reality sweetheart, maybe you're just a idealistic dreamer with to high of expectations.
Now smile really REALLY big and say "Joe Biden is the most pro-union president in American history" 20 times in the mirror before you go to work your 3 part time jobs.
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The answer is to vote and ensure the house and senate are blue. Then ensure Trump loses by voting against him.
Poof, we then make progress towards the yellow line.
