It is not that surprising, Arabic media has been reporting it for a while. It is just that corporate media in the West is finally catching up to reality.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago

We're basically seeing a narrative collapse happening in real time.

[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Arabic, Latin American, Southeast Asian, Chinese (obviously), Indian (obviously)...

Wait, isn't this the same map of countries which recognize Palestine?

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[–] OleoSaccharum@lemm.ee 13 points 8 months ago

If only someone had warned them

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 13 points 8 months ago (50 children)

If Russia comes out of this conflict with any gains at all that could be construed as "worth it" for their side it will be an open invitation to keep invasions on the table as a method to apply again in the near future.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@midwest.social 7 points 8 months ago

So if the author's opinion is correct, then that would not be a good outcome. Do you think they're wrong?

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[–] ObsidianNebula@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think most people never thought Ukraine would win the war outright. Personally, I've never heard anyone say that they thought Ukraine would push Russia out entirely and the war would end. Even if Ukraine did secure all of its land, Russia would almost certainly continue fighting along the border to prevent it from joining any alliance like NATO. It seemed the best anyone hoped for is that there would be enough pressure applied to Russia that something changed within where they gave up on the war.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

People, and importantly western leadership, absolutely thought they could force a regime change in Russia when the war started. For example, recall all the whole rouble will be rubble talk. The plan was for the west to isolate Russia economically using sanctions and intimidate other countries to stop trading with Russia. Russian economy was supposed to collapse as a result, and people were gonna overthrow the government.

This is why Europe went all in on the whole thing, they thought they’re gonna ride it out for a few months and then the west would get to put in a compliant regime in Russia like they did in Ukraine. After that, everything would get back to business as usual, and the regime would start selling off Russia to western companies the way Ukraine is currently being sold off.

Of course that’s not how it went, and now we're seeing a narrative shift because it's becoming clear that the west failed to break Russia economically. Not only that, but Russia is emerging more assertive and has the backing of the Global South. This is the worst possible outcome for the west, and Europe in particular.

[–] ObsidianNebula@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm not doing the best at explaining myself, but my intent was for my comment to say much the same as yours (which I totally agree with). I was just trying to say that I didn't hear many people who thought Ukraine could actually win a war against Russia through fighting. There was definitely hope that Russia would have a regime change due to the pressure and that would put an end to the war, but that outcome seems more like Russia just ending fighting rather than Ukraine winning. I suppose my comment was moreso just arguing semantics on the word "win" in terms of this conflict, which is ultimately a bit pointless.

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[–] Quastamaza@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I agree with everything, except the fact that the outcome is bad for Europe. Would be much worse had western governments reached their goals.

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[–] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago (57 children)

The Republican cowards denying aid needed by Ukraine are entirely to blame.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Sure, blame the Republicans and not the Democrats wasting all their munitions on a middle east genocide.

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