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Negative experiences like this kneecap people migrating to Lemmy. (www.reddit.com)
submitted 8 months ago by jackalope@lemmy.ml to c/fediverse@lemmy.ml
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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 38 points 8 months ago (3 children)

You'd think niche communities... niche servers... what a match, right? My communities were deleted or removed from all three Lemmy servers, even after being approved.

This was confusing to me. I've literally never heard of this happening. New communities are formed every day. Surely there much be some way to explain the unknown-to-me world this man experienced, where the admins started up their server just rubbing their hands together waiting for someone to try to start a community so they can DELETE IT! And then run off into the night, howling with laughter.

We were migrating two weeks worth of content (25-30 posts) just like we said we would do in our application. They suggested a third server (can't find the name/application now) which we applied to, got approved on, and let us post for two days before deleting us.

A haaaaa. The critical issue.

I've formed a few different communities on Lemmy. Only one was going to post-spam like this, and I talked with people on the server to make sure it wouldn't be an issue, and when it was, I found another place for my thing and moved it there instead. Everyone's happy. No one had to delete anything, and no one took any kind of attitude like their response was "unwelcoming." We just worked it out. Honestly all this would have taken would have been just not migrating the previous posts over, and creating a fresh community instead. Boom. Everyone's happy.

This attitude "YO YOU BETTER FIGURE IT OUT FOR ME OTHERWISE I WON'T BLESS YOUR NETWORK WITH MY PRESENCE." Dude Lemmy admins are not your parents. It's a culture of people who work together. Just talk to them, work something out, don't come in with what you want to do as your list of demands, and then if it doesn't make sense storm off in a huff demanding better service in the future.

[–] moreeni@lemm.ee 16 points 8 months ago

Thank you for the well-written reply, I would like to second you.

This attitude "YO YOU BETTER FIGURE IT OUT FOR ME OTHERWISE I WON'T BLESS YOUR NETWORK WITH MY PRESENCE."

Seriously, it's just an entitled user, not at all an issue of a single Lemmy admin.

[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Migrating posts over seems reasonable to me. If you want to migrate people, you got to migrate content and lemmy is bereft of content.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Migrating posts over seems reasonable to me

What? No it doesn't. To someone unfamiliar with Lemmy, and expecting it to be like Reddit where /r/all/new is somewhere only the insane or curious would ever visit, sure; it makes total sense. To someone who understands how Lemmy operates and how a lot of people actually use the per-instance "all" feed because it develops a certain per-instance vibe that they like and want to be a part of and don't want crapped up with spammy content, it sounds obnoxious.

lemmy is bereft of content

No it isn't.

[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

What? No it doesn’t.

A lot of the value of subs, especially technical subs, is their backlog of content, usually technical help etc. That doesn't sound like what this person was doing though. They were just trying to get the initial recent content over. Which you can say "No it doesn't make sense" and I can say "I think it make senses" all day until we're blue in the face.

No it isn’t.

Astounding rhetoric.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I have spent as much time as I feel like investing, trying to explain how I see it. Some other people have tried too. You can decide to read what I wrote if you like, and agree or not; it's up to you.

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

And that annoying attitude is why they will forever be fucked over by any tech company or snake oil salesman.

[–] entropicshart@sh.itjust.works 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So someone scripted post spam in the name of migration and got salty that they were treated like spam. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was through an automated processes during all the intentional spam instances we’re getting.

Very much agree with others here, dude should’ve tried to have a conversation with admins and stop spamming old content.

[–] jackalope@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The dude in question included their intention to move stuff in their application for an account.

Also lack of content is an issue on lemmy right now. We need more people posting.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 8 points 8 months ago

The dude in question included their intention to move stuff in their application for an account.

Well apparently there was some sort of miscommunication.

Also lack of content is an issue on lemmy right now. We need more people posting.

I don't agree with this for a couple of reasons. Reddit didn't go from good to bad because of a lack of people posting. I think I'll let this comment by the reddit OP speak for itself: "Ultimately, it's up to the server admin(s) to allow you on their server, and being 'too corporate', 'kind of spammy' or 'dry and uninteresting' is enough of a reason to turn you away." I have never in my life heard of a community being banned for being dry or uninteresting, so that leaves...

Like I say, I've had admins say to me (more than once now that I think about it) that a community would be better placed on a different server. I said ok gotcha and moved it. If it's unanimous among server admins that your stuff doesn't belong on their instance, that's absolutely a you problem.

He also conveniently refuses to identify the communities he's trying to migrate, claiming he doesn't want to draw "negative attention" to them. Honestly it sounds like the system is working as designed, and better than I would have expected.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 22 points 8 months ago

we also cant possibly know which of these are astroturfing reddit admins.

how many comms Ever get deleted outright, but this guy had 3 on separate instances?! bullshit.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 17 points 8 months ago

I agree. This cant happen, especially not without explanation/discussion.

But I didnt catch what the communities were either, did you? Be a shame if it was something like white_supremacist_tech_support or something.

Especially ml where you have your account isnt keen on views from the other end of the political spectrum afaik. Nothing wrong with that but just saying. World is very mainstream and maybe they just triggered something.

Not saying thats what happened, just trying to think of reasons and possible solutions.

[–] willya@lemmyf.uk 5 points 8 months ago

The reports get wild when a single user posts multiple content in a row. It floods your All feed and can be quite annoying. What is the point of old content we’ve probably seen already? Instead of them wrapping their head around the users point of view, they’re just throwing a fit.

[–] Graphy@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I could see people not wanting someone to post 30 times in a short time. It’s not hard to keep up with the Lemmy new feed so it gets a bit annoying when a bot starts blasting.

As a side note, it’s pretty funny to see people responding to posts like they’re being specifically targeted. I remember some dude posted a question in “foo” and another dude was like “idk I’ve never used foo”

I found that funny af

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 3 points 8 months ago

I call bullshit.

[–] kbal@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 8 months ago

It's not that easy being free Having to wonder if you picked the right instance When I think it could be nicer being Zucked or Musked or Spez'd - or something much more profitable like that.

It's not easy being free. It seems you vibe with so many other federated things. And people tend to pass you over 'cause you're not standing out like influencers in the feeds - or big brands in the web.

But free's the color of fedi. And free can be cool and friendly-like. And free can be big like an ocean, or dank like a meme, or round like a blobcat.

When free is all there is to be It could make you wonder why, but why wonder why? Wonder, I am federated and it'll do fine, it's pretty good most of the time!

And I think it's what I want to be.