People are used to consuming content from an isolated products - Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, etc. even if the content is a link to another website or social network - the place they saw it and interacted with it, will feel like the source. The fediverse is a new and confusing system for most people. It’ll take a while for even mildly tech savvy people to wrap their head around this.
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Actually, it's spelled 'faits divers'.
If I was browsing Reddit and saw an interesting video, I might tell someone "I saw an interesting video on Reddit the other day" even if the video itself was hosted on YouTube. The technical detail of exactly where and how the video is hosted is not relevant to the conversation. The listener wants to know how I found it, not where it is stored.
The same is true for posts on the fediverse. The various instances are the websites that we browse. The technical detail of how they share content and how it can be accessed from various different routes just isn't important most of the time. If you're a Lemmy user, you're reading the posts on Lemmy and there is nothing wrong with talking about it that way.
If I tell someone I bought a game on Steam or borrowed a book from the library, the fact that they are also available elsewhere doesn't matter. If I tell someone I read something on kbin, does it matter that the same post also exists on different websites? 99% of the time, the answer is 'no'.
New terms may emerge but referring to the platform seems weird, almost ignorant.
I agree, but you've got it upsidedown. The fediverse is the platform that the instances operate on, not vice-versa.
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I'm not referencing the fediverse, it's stupid. But also, lemmy isn't a great name so I probably just won't mention anything like that.
"The Fediverse is stupid."
"The Fediverse is stupid."
Negativeland said Christianity is stupid.
Christianity is stupid.
Communism is good!
[then a lot of chanting and noisemaking]
This is going to reveal my ignorance:
How does the federation work from a high level? On Reddit, data is stored and managed by Reddit.
How about the fediverse? If the data isn’t centrally located, what is stopping some data from just being lost at any time? Who owns the servers?
If the servers are owned by anyone who wants to own a server, I assume there will still be popular servers that get the most traffic. And if those servers have high traffic, how will they sustain that model? How do they “keep the lights on” without ads?
Thanks for helping me understand.
https://lemmy.world/comment/20357
This comment was very helpful when I first joined. Long story short, each server is locally storing data for its own users and communities, and also for external communities that at least one user is subscribed to.
Everything is either self or donor funded, and it is my understanding that this model can scale quite a bit without a crazy amount of donations.
But if we get into instances with over a million users, I'm not sure when/if the donor funded model eventually breaks down. That'll be a good problem to have though, because it means this platform will have been a massive success.
That’ll be a good problem to have though, because it means this platform will have been a massive success.
I dunno, could be a repeat of Eternal September.
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Good question. Not ignorant. The one thing we use all the time but never think of as federated is email. Multiple users from different providers can reply all and everyone gets a copy. That is one way to help think about how the fediverse works. People using kbin and Lemmy have replied in this thread. We all see it. we are just using different providers/software to read and reply in the fediverse.
Others have already commented well on funding.
How does the federation work from a high level?
Well, Captain Kirk goes out on the flagship and kicks some serious alien ass. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't usually screw it, but he is almost contractually obligated to have his shirt torn. Spock bails him out with derisions of Something Something Diplomacy, I forget exactly what. And that's how the federation works. At a high level.
At a really high level, they all get zapped by plant spores and turn into hippies.
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I don't think many people understand that if they use Lemmy or kbin, they are posting to the fediverse
Does it matter? I saw this post on the Fediverse, but I also saw it on Lemmy, I also saw it on lemmy.world, I also saw it on LiftOff, I also saw it on my phone, I saw it on the internet, and I saw it while taking a shit. All those are correct and it's only an issue using any of those if it confuses the conversation and in most cases your requested level of pedantry will not add anything useful to a discussion (unless maybe the discussion is about how the Fediverse works).
I like how the Memmy app introduces new users to what the fediverse is and what a server means. I had found that out beforehand but it was still helpful when I downloaded the app today.
I’m new to it all, but it’s so interesting. Now I want to know what else I don’t know about that’s on the web. 👀
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So can I log into a lemmy app with my kbin details ? Or do I have to sign up on lemmy ?
🤓🤓🤓 just use whatever