A community about anarchy. anarchism, social ecology, and communalism for SLRPNK! Solarpunk anarchists unite!
Feel free to ask questions here. We aspire to make this space a safe space. SLRPNK.net's basic rules apply here, but generally don't be a dick and don't be an authoritarian.
Anarchism is a social and political theory and practice that works for a free society without domination and hierarchy.
Social Ecology, developed from green anarchism, is the idea that our ecological problems have their ultimate roots in our social problems. This is because the domination of nature and our ecology by humanity has its ultimate roots in the domination humanity by humans. Therefore, the solutions to our ecological problems are found by addressing our social and ecological problems simultaneously.
Poetry and imagination must be integrated with science and technology, for we have evolved beyond an innocence that can be nourished exclusively by myths and dreams.
~ Murray Bookchin, The Ecology of Freedom
People want to treat ‘we’ll figure it out by working to get there’ as some sort of rhetorical evasion instead of being a fundamental expression of trust in the power of conscious collective effort.
~Anonymous, but quoted by Mariame Kaba, We Do This 'Til We Free Us
The end justifies the means. But what if there never is an end? All we have is means.
~Ursula K. Le Guin, The Lathe of Heaven
The assumption that what currently exists must necessarily exist is the acid that corrodes all visionary thinking.
~Murray Bookchin, "A Politics for the Twenty-First Century"
There can be no separation of the revolutionary process from the revolutionary goal. A society based on self-administration must be achieved by means of self-administration.
~Murray Bookchin, Post Scarcity Anarchism
In modern times humans have become a wolf not only to humans, but to all nature.
The ecological question is fundamentally solved as the system is repressed and a socialist social system develops. That does not mean you cannot do something for the environment right away. On the contrary, it is necessary to combine the fight for the environment with the struggle for a general social revolution...
~Abdullah Öcalan
Social ecology advances a message that calls not only for a society free of hierarchy and hierarchical sensibilities, but for an ethics that places humanity in the natural world as an agent for rendering evolution social and natural fully self-conscious.
~ Murray Bookchin
Solarpunk is technology serving nature rather than exploiting nature. Technology is fine, but as a tool to be used, not as an object of veneration, worship, or fetishization (the cryptobros and AI idolaters). Civilization is fine as long as it’s separated from the hierarchies and exploitation (refer to The Dawn of Everything and the Indus Civilization).
AnPrim is not terribly popular here, as it tends to be diametrically opposed to the goals of Solarpunk, which as others have already mentioned, is about using technology to empower individuals and improve society as a whole through an Anarchist lens. I think you'd fit right in here. :)
If I remember correctly, the green in this sub is for social ecology, Murray Bookchin's theory. AnPrims really don't like Bookchin, so they probably wouldn't enjoy this community's perspective.
Although tbh I haven't seen many AnPrims on Lemmy at all.
I imagine the mods of this community might have a more thorough answer but for me the short answer is "no" or "not exactly". It's most of the things you just mentioned although AI probably won't be super popular to everyone here. The Solarpunk Manifesto states: "Solarpunk envisions a built environment creatively adapted for solar gain, amongst other things, using different technologies. The objective is to promote self sufficiency and living within natural limits" . In many ways it's a reaction to AnPrim that embraces technology and optimism about the future and I haven't seen any AnPrims write about their positive views of our movement.
I’m very much pro-tech, pro-civ, pro-AI, pro-medicine and pro-LGBT & disability rights
Describes me as well and I would not stay in an anPrim circlejerk. My main hobby is trying to steer solarpunks towards techs that empower rather than enslave.
Never really noticed any an-prim tendencies here. I also feel like many posters and people commenting participate im more than one of the anarchism communities, at least I do.
Plus, would love to see more anti-civ stuff here or in other communities, but I think i am pretty alone with that wish :D
I'm a dirty, smelly barbarian too, hello there!
Amprims and anti-civs don’t hang out on Lemmy, they hang out on Raddle, which refuses to federate with anybody.
Considering the fact that Solarpunk is an outgrowth of Anarcho-transhumanism, I don't think it's compatible with any sort of primitivism.
Where did you get this nonsense? It has completely different origins than (anarcho or not) transhumanism.
Oh, hello again. Did you forget the last time we had this conversation and you entirely failed to provide any reason for your position and then when I pointed out how you didn't provide clear arguments to any of your claims you just quit?
Maybe this will convince you: https://slrpnk.net/post/6195369
But you seem to be trolling anyway...
Okay, I read the article and I think it's changed my perspective somewhat.
I can belive that the origin of Solar Punk, that is the genre of fiction that first bore that name, has little to do with Transhumanism. I don't believe I have read the earliest Solar Punk fiction, and so I cannot make an accurate guess. At the same time the politics, philosophy, and social movement that's been tied up with that name is what I'm really trying to talk about. I believe that the philosophy that underpins what is currently referred to as "Solar Punk", as codified in the manifesto, is at least inspired or informed by either recent Anarcho-transhumanism or some previously novel synthesis of philosophies that includes Anarchism and Transhumanism. There's just too much that Solarpunk philosophy has in common with the things my friends and the wider H+ community have been saying for years for me to believe it's a coincidence.
But you seem to be trolling anyway...
What? I spent hours explaining why I believed that Solarpunk aligns with and likely is inspired at least in part by Anarcho-transhumanism; I gave a comprehensive analysis of the similarities and differences between the two. How can you call that trolling? That's so insulting.
I'm gonna read the article now.
Bro, I looked at the other conversation you linked, and two responses in, you just drop this outta nowhere:
As a side note this is why I don’t consider people like ol’musky transhumanists; he wants weird robots and brain implants because it looks futur-y, not because he’s grappled with the pros and cons of the solutions for decades and determined that this is the best way to help people. He’s a sham who pretends to know what he’s talking about after looking at a cool photo instead of honestly engaging with the philosophy he pretends to advocate. I am reminded of him through my interactions with you.
How do you expect people to react when you insult them for no other reason than politely disagreeing with you?
Yeah, that last sentence was uncalled for. I was feeling frustrated and dealing with some problems at work at the time, but I still shouldn't have said that.
