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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by fu@libranet.de to c/memes@lemmy.ml
 

But F the poor I guess

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[–] jarvis@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's because those billionaires are down there boosting the economy and creating jobs... for search and rescue teams.

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[–] Limeey@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Don’t you see? Rich people create jobs! Migrants just sit around and collect money from the hard work of everyone around them!

Oh wait, it’s the opposite isn’t it…

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Migrants create jobs and rich people don’t work ?

[–] Limeey@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

If you think any billionaire "worked" for the amount of money they have, you're sorely mistaken. It's a byproduct of a flawed economic system, not their "work ethic." Not to say capitalism doesn't have it's benefits, but it's the system in which capitalism is allowed to operate that produces inequalities like that.

[–] risottinopazzesco@feddit.it 15 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Yes. Considering the net loss in population and the its aging, an influx of new people generates new consumption and opportunities for market growth, and sustains socialized systems like pensions and health care, albeit over a long period.

On the other hand, billionaires hoard disgusting fortunes like fucking dragons to the detriment of society at large. They thus deserve to be slayed, like we would dragons.

Did you know some of the original guillotines already exist?

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[–] Ronno@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's easy to polarize with such a headline/picture. Reality is way more nuanced than this:

Migrants are in fact being saved from shipwrecks, it is (sadly) in the news every week or so. The main problem is that these migrants don't have communication devices with them to signal emergencies, unlike the submarine. The boat on the surface alarmed emergency services when they lost connection with the sub, starting the rescue operation. It is difficult to rescue a boat of migrants, when you don't even know that they are in danger in the first place.

Secondly, the harsh reality is that most migrants try to enter a country illegally. Which by definition, is a huge risk on their part. The rich people on the sub were not doing anything illegal. However, in both cases, the people in or on the boat accepted the risks involved in their endeavor.

[–] fu@libranet.de 11 points 1 year ago (13 children)

@Ronno the problem is making the natural human right of migration illegal in the first place.

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[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (9 children)

That's not really comparable. When any citizen of a country gets lost either at sea or on land, large probably also multi million dollar searches are performed.

The difference is more to do with whether they're immigrants or natives.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Small correction, it has to do with whether they're citizens or not.

But being a billionaire also helps.

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[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

But it is also absurd that we, on one hand, agree that all human lives have equal worth.. and on the other straight up consider a citicizen to be worth more than 1000 non-citizens.

I don't know how one can possibly argue that it is humane and in line with what we say our values are.

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[–] snipe_at@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

while i understand the sentiment, it is quite novel when a submarine is lost vs when a surface ship is lost

[–] pressanykeynow@iusearchlinux.fyi 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When surface ship is declared lost that's usually because it's already became submarine.

[–] szczur@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

I laughed at this and I don't like it.

[–] voxov7@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

you've got to get yourself killed in a hot way to get my attention sweetie, okay? Non of that self preservation shit the poors are into

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[–] fu@libranet.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@snipe_at that's no reason to spend my tax money on it.

[–] DudePluto@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Oh no, 1% of my paycheck is going toward efforts to save lives

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[–] VubDapple@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Overheard:

"They paid for the full Titanic experience and that's what they got. What's the problem?"

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[–] StankFlipper@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

If these dumbasses have enough money to drop on a ticket aboard this sub to look at something you can see on a documentary, they should also have to foot the bill for the rescue mission. I'm sure all these rescue programs are tax funded that they dodge themselves. So, not only are they squirreling and eating up money we could all be using, but now we're picking up the check.

[–] HelloImFrank@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nobody cares that they are millionaires!
You think the coastguard is only helping them because they are millionaires? No they are trying to help because it's their job!

I guess all those miners getting stuck in mines during collapses and millions of equipment was shipped over to try and save them over weeks of time was because the miners were all millionaires.

You have a fucked up view of the world if you think only millionaires get helped in emergency situations.

[–] fu@libranet.de 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@HelloImFrank having spent 4 years in the U.S. Coast Guard, I can tell you that you are incorrect.

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[–] revelrous@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

If you go up a mountain to poke tigers, and a tiger shockingly eats you, should society drop everything and race up the mountain to find your pieces? It's disingenuous to equate this to the miners.

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[–] escape_tape@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Think about it. If we just imprisoned all rich people, they didn't have to be rescued from their shitty, expensive vacation trips.

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[–] da_g@feddit.it 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know this could be controversial, but in some countries immigration is quite a problem, there isn't enough work for everyone and the crime just gets higher an higher plus they do it illegally, not quite the same even though I get y'all sentiment

[–] CaptainMinnette@lemmy.fmhy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

there isn't enough work for everyone

Immigrants induce demand for goods and services just like anyone else, thus the jobs to render those goods and services.

the crime just gets higher and higher

Technically depends on the country but this is usually false.

plus they do it illegally

Law is not morality. Perhaps it shouldn't be illegal.

[–] Venutianxspring@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I always hated the legal argument. No landmass was ever historically conquered /populated / taken over / whatever through "legal immigration" except by indigenous peoples of those lands. These immigrants are trying to find better lives for themselves and their families and it's horrible that people refuse to show any empathy for their struggles or dreams

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[–] drolex@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's not controversial, it's just wrong. Immigration never takes jobs away, it always allows to create more jobs by inflating the local economy. Miami absorbed Cuban migrants after Mariel, and went richer. It has been widely studied now: immigrants took first low paying jobs that were understaffed, it injected more money in the local economy and it allowed spouses who were not working because they were doing the low paying jobs for free (nannying for instance) to get back to high paying jobs, it injects more money... Same in Germany with Syrian intake

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[–] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

But silver lining, we now know we can get the rich to take care of themselves if we offer them sketchy exploration opportunities too exclusive for the poors

[–] NotaLLM@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The US federal government values the average citizen's life at something like ~$12 million. This is mostly for policy like if 1,000 people a year die from something, say an unsafe ferris wheel design, a solution that would save them costing more than (1,000*12,000,000=)$12 billion would be rejected and considered not worth the economic cost. If the solution were cheaper, and cost like $500 million, then with good lobbying and a reasonable administration, it could easily become a new regulation.

Generally speaking if 5 anybodies went down like this submersible, you'd expect at least some millions to be spent in recovery missions.


https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2020/07/17/870483369/your-life-is-worth-10-million-according-to-the-government

The ~$12 million figure is what the NHTSA is currently using for its purposes.

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