This is just "both sides are equally wrong/bad."
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Idk about equally, but often enough, both sides are indeed wrong.
"Enlightened centrists". I make fun of you people constantly.
Nothing wrong with accepting that both sides of anything have good and bad shit going on. I couldn't imagine just blindly following one side 100% even when they can also do questionable stuff.
Sure, but the problem is that rather than arguing the finer points of how to combat climate change, for example, we have to argue about whether truth is truth.
There are leftists that get things wrong
It makes you look stupid tho
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Maybe I’m too naive, but I didn’t think they were referring to just politics. They were just referring to two people arguing.
You know, I think you're right. I'm so used to the phrase "both sides" meaning a specific thing it didn't register as anything else. If it had been phrased "both sides of an argument" I would have understood.
Does it normally refer to politics? Maybe for Americans, and they are responsible for a good deal of the English language content online. Right, and the 2 party system...
I'm with you, though, both sides means both sides of an argument. I think the news had something on that a while back- for every climate scientist they interviewed, they had to also interview a climate denier to present a "fair and balanced" view XD
Why are y'all in the comments trying to act like one or another universalist position has to fit like a sock to all situations? There are debates where one side is blatantly wrong and the other is blatantly correct, debates where one side is wrong and the other has some points right, debates where both sides have some points right, debates where both sides would do well to return to school and debates where no side can be objetively correct because they're discussing something intrinsically subjective. The "enlightened centrist" meme is useful to mock the stupid position that "the truth is always in the middle", but if you think you're always going to find someone in any debate who has the right answer, you're going to find yourself siding with stupid shit all the time.
Yes! Can we pin this somewhere for new Lemmy users to read? I'm so over the right/wrong ONLY attitudes
It would be better if we taught people to be critical thinkers
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"Understanding is a three-edged sword. Your side, their side, and the truth."
My side is that vaccines do NOT cause autism.
Their side is that vaccines DO cause autism.
So the truth is that vaccines cause autism sometimes?
No, Autism isn't caused by vaccines but the risk of vaccines for everyone is not zero. It's just the amount of people affected are in the .00X% or .000X% range.
Yeah I know, I tried (and failed?) to be funny
No, you had it just fine. You'll find that an abnormally large amount of ND people hang out on Lemmy though. So many angry comments from people who used to reddit but they're just angrily agreeing with you the whole time. Like... K lol.
You succeeded. Your audience failed to have a sense of humor.
My side is that many great doctors are autistic, therefore autism causes vaccines.
Nice
Plot twist: Autism is causing vaccines /s
Not even that far fetched. A lot of inventors are thought to have been autistic.
No the truth is scientifically proven that they don't(at least those that are certified in the EU)
Your side may overlap with the truth.
Understanding sounds a little more like an M1917 trench knife with its triangular stiletto blade.
Learn about one religion and you may become faithful. Learn about many and you may become an atheist.
There's some truth and some idiocy behind this meme. Just because, for example, the US political system tends toward a two party system, does not mean you can always or always not find some amount of truth or good ideas based on what two parties tell you. In fact, the framing is irrelevant toward truth, and is even it's own type of bias. There are certainly some third rails neither side of a debate will touch, or some things both find the need to lie about. But in some cases someone is sort of right about something and sometimes people are just wrong.
Except the right's platform no longer has any aspect of it that's correct. They abandoned the conservative platform ages ago and went full fascist.
Be careful careful about arguing that on lemmy.world. I argued for a bit with a "both sides are bad", eventually called them out for being a Putin puppet, and got my post deleted by a Lemmy.world mod.
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Not me. I learned about all of them and have accepted them all. It's exhausting.
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Monke brain see "both sides"
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no further thought needed
both sides
wtf did u just say to me u lil bishh
Can't you just live normally in a filter bubble like the rest of us?
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Both sides can be misinformed but, it doesn't mean you need to react negatively to someone else's viewpoint. If you disagree there's nothing wrong with saying "I disagree because I think that....." or "I've read that...." and you don't have to call the other person a nasty derogatory name.
You‘re new here, right? Keep that positive attitude as long as you can.
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If you've previously identified one side as consisting of pathological liars, it's best to ignore whatever they say because the more you hear from them, the more likely you are to accidently believe one of their lies. It takes a lot of vigilance to listen to a bunch of plausibly-true statements without misremembering some of them as being true.
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Why limit yourself to two?
Yup my current favorite combo is hexbear and the neolibs at /r/Destiny. Completely ideologically opposed on nearly all issues. I usually side more with the hexbear crowd but they also have their own bubble thing going on
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