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Wasn't there evidence Israeli leadership was alerted over the attack and course to ignore it?
The Hamas leaders are all very wealthy and and on't live in Gaza. Same as the people running the Taliban - they don't live in Afghanistan. It's believable that they made money from these nasty acts.
The Hamas leaders are all very wealthy and and on’t live in Gaza.
Sounds like wiping out Hamas can't be accomplished by attacking Gaza, then.
The goal is not wiping out Hamas entirely but removing their strategic capabilities within Gaza.
The IS being active in the middle east isn't a huge problem for the US but if they had a base in Cuba you'd for sure have the military there removing it asap...
Don't speak on behalf of other government.
Isreal never said that there goal in Gaza, in fact the opposite, the say the want to destroy gaza completely, and move people to Egypt, and other stuff like kill them and kill their kids...
It is there on tv when they speak..
The problem is these guys live in Quatar and right now they're needed for negotiating puposes.
Netanyahu has made it clear that he intends to pursue attacks against Gaza until Hamas is wiped out.
If Hamas cannot be wiped out by attacking Gaza, the condition for ending the war cannot be met, even if Gaza is reduced to a plain of uninhabited slag.
The purpose of the war in gaza is to get revenge. Its just 2 nations trying to genocide eachother hamas doesnt care about war crimes or the world order israil has to at least pretend to play ball to keep the americans on side.
There are always alternatives. They could call Hamas combat ineffective and declare truece. Tough to do, though as Hamas is still firing rockets on Isreal.
They could call Hamas combat ineffective and declare truece.
Wiping out Hamas is the current stated goal, not rendering them ineffective. You don't set a condition you can't meet if your intention is to stop at some point.
It all depends on your definition of wiping out. I'm sure your not going to get every single one. BTW, Saudi, Jordan and Egypt really want them to wipe them all out. They consider Hamas another Muslim Brotherhood, and don't give a shit about the Gazians.
It all depends on your definition of wiping out.
Do you suppose Netanyahu will be content with leaving Hamas' leadership intact?
I think Netanyahu will be content to stay out of jail. He might not get to make that call.
Israel has got, between regular and reserve, about half million troops in the field. It's GDP isn't good enough to carry the cost for that for too long. It may be less of a decision than you might think.
It’s GDP isn’t good enough to carry the cost for that for too long.
Ours may be.
It would be, but that will never happen
It would be, but that will never happen
You sure? Let's examine domestic politics regarding the war:
Republicans are in favor of the "plain of uninhabited slag" outcome for its own sake.
Progressives want the war to end, preferably quickly.
And centrist Democrats have a few reasons to side with Republicans on this: It doesn't involve altering the status quo. They get to be seen as bipartisan by doing something Republicans want. And they have a GWB-style "terrorist sympathizer" cudgel to deploy against progressives.
Way I see it, Netanyahu will have us doing whatever he wants until the cudgel stops working at the earliest, since he can count on having both Republicans and centrist Dems in his corner.
Have you fantasized all your life or is it more recent?
I was wondering when you'd start with the condescending dismissals.
Turns out, all I had to do was describe your behavior. Congratulations on your acquisition of a cudgel.
You described a fantasy hoping I'd bite and waste time. I didn't. I'd say nice try, but it really wasnt.
So, on top of being ISIS executioners they’re Hedgefunders?
They’ve topped Peak Evil
They’ve topped Peak Evil
No, I think that's the people bombing refugee camps they told people to go to because they say Hamas is hiding there.
So where does beheading people, rapeing girls, burning people alive and slaughtering entire villages stand in your book squid?
Check that. I really don't want to know.
Sorry, are you suggesting that somehow justifies bombing refugees in the location you specifically told them to go to?
You see her Achilles tendon? They cut that so she couldn't run away.
https://twitter.com/HeidiBachram/status/1730732283823354197?t=tbEnMKXJ3MwxNnjzdD2vBg&s=19
You didn't answer my question.
And you didn't answer mine. But, as before I'm not interested in your blather.
In other words, you can't justify bombing refugees in the place you specifically told the refugees to go to.
Unsurprising, since that's not justifiable unless you think all Palestinians are terrorists.
In other words, I'm not interested in your blather.
Yes, I know, you've already made that claim. If that were true, you wouldn't have replied to me again.
Bombing refugees is evil. If you don't think so, you should look into your personal ethics.
You are begging me to block you. So be it.
I will not be at all surprised if your claim of blocking me is as truthful as your claim that you are not interested in my blather. We'll see though.
And no one is interested in hearing yours.
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Because of IDF supporters like yourself.
Genocide is wrong and I will say it every fucking time I read it.
See, I knew it wouldn't be too long before you squealed genocide. It does absolutely no good arguing with those denying Hamas perpetrated atrocities against civilians .. even using video footage from their own go pro cameras won't convince the deniers.
It does absolutely no good arguing with those denying Hamas perpetrated atrocities against civilians
Literally no one is denying that Hamas are a bunch of evil shitbags that killed a fuckload of civilians at the start of this. IT DOESN'T FUCKING EXCUSE ISRAEL KILLING 10X THAT NUMBER (AND COUNTING) IN RESPONSE.
I'll try to be calm about this and refer you to the title. Then ask the same questions I asked before.
Show me where I said that Hamas never perpetuated atrocities.
I'll wait.
But you don't care what I say, so why would I spend the time?
See, I knew it wouldn't be too long before you squealed genocide
Because you can see, as plainly as everyone else, that genocide is what is happening.
Bombing hospitals, telling civilians where to safely move and then bombing that area, taking generational homes because of “reasons”. Israel is committing genocide.
I love jewish people. I think they are awesome. Israel is evil.
These are not two desperate thoughts.
Additionally, Hamas is evil. And deserves to be stopped, but not by bombing innocent people or bombing hospitals. ZERO civilian lives are worth ending to kill any number of terrorists.
Really? Do I have to block another zealot? What river, what sea you jihad wannabe?
Zealot? Fuck no. I simply view both sides objectively and make up my own mind.
I determine my view point based on all available information.
Additionally, you know how I know you are completely propagandized? You will not say a single negative thing about Israel. Prove me wrong. Say Israel bombing hospitals is wrong.
You won’t.
I acknowledge both sides are committing atrocities and war crimes. Will you?
Hamas really are simply the worst. Don't mind the Iranian propaganda teams on here - those guys will just cry whataboutism and ignore any Hamas war crimes because it's literally their job