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I'm not trying to convince anyone to go back i promise, quite the contrary actually cause I think spez plans to just decrease the cost of the API and act like it was a bargain deal sacrifice while not solving any of the issues at all

But, when I think about it even if spez did actually listen and reverse all changes I don't think i want to go back to Reddit cause from what Ive seen Lemmy is just friendlier and less :Be Corporate Friendly: I would honestly love it if Lemmy did a project like r/place one of these days so we could see what the internet is actually like instead of what happened in 2022 (I really did enjoy what a bunch of communities did but when the mods started abusing their powers to make it corporate r/place lost so much meaning) but i am curious since i'm not going back is there anything Reddit can do to make you go back to Reddit?

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[–] silicon_reverie@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'll go back if Reddit:

  • Makes it feasible for 3rd party apps to continue on the platform. This could be a revenue-sharing agreement, a set price that's not prohibitively expensive but still fairly compensates Reddit, a flat-out exemption from the Enterprising Pricing, doesn't matter. These apps have been around far longer than Reddit's own app, and provide tools (and general polish) the Official App has yet to match seven years in. They deserve to stay and to make a living off of their continued contribution to the community.
  • Restores parity access to NSFW content via the API. It's essential for moderation bots to combat spam, it helps 3rd party apps stay afloat, and it serves a large part of the community. I get that Reddit wants to sanitize the site in preparation for an IPO. I get that advertisers are wary of NSFW posts. That's not an excuse for removing it from the API. The official ad-supported Reddit app will continue to serve up porn, and the currently proposed API prevents 3rd party clients from using ads anyway. Reddit is making a bad-faith argument that harms moderation bots' ability to do their job, and cripples any 3rd party app that isn't driven from the platform based on price (including 2 "accessibility only" apps they were forced to allow during the AMA).
  • Apologizes to the Apollo dev for Spez's libelous statements, and starts a good-faith negotiation with developers to open access for things like the enhanced query system that the 1st party app enjoys, usage statistics that will help devs improve API request efficiency, and revenue sharing where devs can monetize using ads or any other method they choose so long as Reddit gets a cut.

But even if I go back, it will be with one foot out the door. The dam has broken, and I plan to campaign hard for alternatives and switch to whichever one hits critical mass first.

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[–] sydneybrokeit@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

Start with canning Spez. Dude's been a walking liability for them for at least the 12 years I've been on reddit, and everyone knew it back then.

Get rid off all the trolls, bots and shills. I know that's nearly an impossible task, but I'm tired of seeing the same thing posted five times a month, good content getting hidden and people arguing for the sake of arguing.

[–] Elbullazul@lem.elbullazul.com 9 points 1 year ago

I think the platform is too far gone to regain my trust, I don't think I'll ever go back

[–] Joker@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

I wouldn’t because I like it better here. It’s easier to engage because it’s not so huge and there’s less toxicity. I like the software better and that nobody is trying to push certain content in front of me or trying to get me to spend more time on the site. I’ll still go to Reddit on occasion, but that will be because it’s useful for finding information. It won’t be because I want to be part of that community.

[–] OverfedRaccoon@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

Honestly, if the key smaller communities that I'm in on Reddit don't migrate away to another platform, then I don't know that I'll even fully leave. Assuming the site doesn't completely implode at this point, of course. For as many subs as I subscribe to, I really only find myself on a handful each day.

That said, spez has really soured my taste for Reddit with the AMA. I only really use old.reddit on desktop, but I've used mainly third-party apps over the years, like most people, I would assume. Even if they lowered API costs to be more reasonable AND third-party app devs decided to come back, they're still limiting NSFW access to third-party app API calls anyway, so a lesser experience either way.

At the end of the day, I'm going to be where the community is, be that here, kbin, or whichever one rises up and has staying power and growth over the next couple years.

[–] uplink@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

I have seen Reddit make a lot of changes over the years that have continually shifted it away from what I wanted it to be. I have been hoping for a long time that something would supplant reddit, probably for most of the time I've been using the platform. If it is really still not profitable after all of that, then I doubt that they can make meaningful positive changes that I want and be in the black. So to answer your question, no, there's probably nothing they can do to get me to stop seeking replacements.

[–] Chritter@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago

Spez resigning and free API access to all third party apps as it was before.

Honestly though? Lemmy is reminding me of old reddit and I'm enjoying it so who knows if I'd even go back if this site keeps growing at the rate that it is.

[–] aaron@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

It couldn't. The enshittification has long since begun.

[–] shakesbeare@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

Reddit as an entity is just frustrating. Not just the recent debacle, but the pattern of getting slightly more awful with each passing minute. I'm hoping I enjoy my stay here well enough that I never feel the urge to go back. Unfortunately, it's less about what Reddit can do to get me back and more about what the Fediverse can do to keep me.

I liked seeing and engaging with unlimited new things with each passing moment. It would not be very satisfying for me to lose that. Time will tell.

[–] notroot@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Answer: Lift my lifetime permanent ban. Heheh

I jokingly commented "I hope it was full" in a thread about Ted Cruz (aka Zodiac Killer) getting beaned by a beer can during a parade (or sumpin).

That was the last straw for the mods! How dare I "Promote or advocate violence" LOL

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[–] RoaringSilence@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Speaking of me, nothing. I erased my history, deleted my account.

Reddit should go his path chosen, don't hold back travelers.

[–] Subito@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is literally nothing.... I just used Reddit for r/nosleep. I'll live without it. It's permanently erased any goodwill it had with me.

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[–] rusticus@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I left Digg because of an INTERFACE CHANGE. Reddit is fucking over its devs and users.

Answer: There is nothing reddit can do to get me back. I didn't really like them when Digg went south and now it's dead to me.

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[–] isosphere@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

I think it is very healthy for huge social media platforms to disappear every now and then and be replaced by better things. After being on Reddit for 13 years I'm excited for something new; hopefully different in good ways. I think a federated approach is a huge improvement. I don't think there's anything they could do.

[–] oakley@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Saying this as a current Reddit user so this is less of a "winning me back" list and more of a wishlist. Either way...

-Reverse API decisions, support 3rd party apps
-Make new design less shit
-Decentralizing. Not through blockchains or NFT trinkets but through open sourcing and federating with a network like this one. This was Jack Dorsey's plan for Twitter and this is why he funded the development of Bluesky. The plan was to eventually develop Twitter into a client for Bluesky, but he had to fuck everything up by pushing for Elon to buy it, which is a shame because this would have been the best ending for the platform. Reddit doing the same would be the best ending for it as well, but like I said, this is just a wishlist. Modern Reddit would never support something like this.

[–] CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago

I switched to Reddit when I made a decision I'm done with the big corpo like Meta and I deleted all my social media accounts including WhatsApp. I got Signal and convinced all my friends and family to do the same so now I have a fully functioning social circle there. I moved from Reddit to Lemmy now because I realised that Reddit is more or less the same - the answer to most of the internet issues atm is open source/decentralised services. So I moved here. Still missing a lot of stuff from Reddit though - mostly thriving meme communities...

[–] honk@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

There is one thing they could do: Just federate with lemmy. :D:D:D

[–] ericjmorey@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

If they made their mobile web interface usable, I'd use it on mobile. If they keep their old.reddit interface usable, I'll keep using it to some extent. I don't think either of these will happen.

I also think the vast majority won't care unless the moderation bots will be rendered unaffordable to maintain by volunteer mods.

[–] Echolot@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They would probably have to drop their plans of going public for me to reconsider. Of course I know this is never ever gonna happen in this reality…

[–] Arystique@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Going public never made any sense to me, it feels so short sighted as whenever you sell more stock you lose more control of your company and stock holders have literally no interest in seeing your company succeed if your company starts failing their just going to bail on you and invest somewhere else

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[–] manifex@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Like relationships and jobs - once I'm out... I out.

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[–] bdonvr@lemmy.rogers-net.com 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Go back to being open source, become a non-profit.

Basically not gonna happen.

The profit motive will just recreate this same scenario no matter what they promise.

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[–] crossmr@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They need to fix everything. I can barely report anything on the site without being banned for it. The admin come around later and fix it and apology, but because that's happened so many times, safety's first response is permanent ban which means I have to use an alt to contact them and get them to fix it. Despite the fact that they told me several times all the suspensions and warnings would be removed, they aren't. I reported something for being a duplicate a couple weeks ago (it was there was another copy on the front page of the sub, and it was one of their report reasons) and came back an hour later to both a permanent ban notice for 'report abuse' for that, and also the fact that my account wasn't actually banned because someone had come through and unbanned me. The site is bordering on being beyond repair at this point.

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[–] rubythulhu@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] John_Coomsumer@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Step 1: A backpedal to their roots, openness and FOSS leaning development. Allow reasonably cheap API access that still gives them some money from the AI trawlers but allows 3rd parties to function, stop blasting me with gigantic notification on my mobile browser to use the terrible official app every time I view a thread (or even literally forcing you off the page period if its 'nsfw' content like elden ring threads, apparently??)

Step 2: Focus on genuine usability. The official app is DOG ASS. The "new" reddit experience is a nightmare compared to old reddit. Videos STILL don't load and run properly, after literally 5 or 6 years. Straight up embarrassing stuff for software developers.

Step 3: Take a genuine stance on moderation and content. Either direction; free-for-all where only the clearly illegal is removed, or tightly moderated with global rules. This current system is a completely broken mess, you'll get the_donald literally breeding terrorists in the open for years, but I can't use call another user an "asshole loser" without getting kicked out of a subreddit? I just dont think the weird federalist style subreddit system works all that well. Global, clear, enforced rules.


If they did these things I think I would return. The real crazy thing is that they could do all of these things and still increase profitability. If the official app was actually good, more people would use it, and the massive amount of calls home and data collection it does would be way more profitable. Jump on the bandwagon, make a reddit LLM chat-bot that is fed only on reddit threads, it would probably be genuinely decent. Or at least make reddit search work, you would siphon off a ton of google search traffic. you know. innovate, at all, even a little. The money would come in. But not AS FAST AS POSSIBLE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE I WANT TO SCROOGE MCDUCK THIS SHIT levels, and thats what the ownership and (soon to be) shareholders will push them towards. So none of this will happen, sadly.

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.house 7 points 1 year ago

I am running PowerDeleteSuite on both my reddit accounts as i type this. My basic edit is that due to reddits api changes i no longer feel welcome, have moved to lemmy, and support the blackout. I will give a few hours to settle and then delete both accounts

[–] skepticalifornia@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

I really think at this point I am done with Reddit. The attitude Spez and the other admins showed in that AMA was disrespectful to users and mods. Reddit is just a platform, they don’t create content, and the mods work for free as far as I know. To give a big FU to users the way they did is all I needed to see. I am going to use Lemmy and continue to use Mastodon for better or worse, but so far, I am liking it more and more over here.

[–] Dandroid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

All they need to do is make RIF not shut down. Whatever that takes. I'm not using their shitty app.

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