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I work in academia. I’m a lowly paid adjunct who teaches 8 classes across 4 schools to make ends meet.
In the lead up to this semester, each school has had a mandatory Zoom meeting to get everyone involved on the same page.
In all 4 instances, I sat there and fucking seethed watching people who make upward of 10 times what I do just endlessly fumble with the technology while saying nothing of value for 2 hours.
It’s honestly amazing just how inept the manager class is.
There is no such thing as unskilled work
How could you say that? This is landlord erasure
if only
I have been in an argument with a landlord before. They were arguing that it was a real job because of all the paperwork. I was just like... bruh
Paperwork is only a job if you're a lawyer or an accountant.
I believe they prefer to be called "persons of land". /s
Everytime unskilled work is mentioned, someone feels the need to comment that ackchually all work requires skill.
Unskilled work means you don't need prior experience or specific education to apply. You will be trained on the job.
Unskilled work means you don’t need prior experience or specific education to apply.
It means whatever the employers want it to mean. But anyone who has worked anywhere for a significant length of time knows the value experience brings in a role.
Whether you're packing boxes or picking fruit or doing brain surgery, the speed and accuracy of your work is predicated on experience. Not something you get through a crash course or a certificate. You have to do the work to learn the work in every field.
That's what makes "unskilled" labor a myth.
OK what do you propose we call it when there is a job that literally requires prior experience or certifications vs a job that doesn't?
Because you cannot tell me that it's OK to hire anyone and teach them brain surgery on the job.
I like the term "specialized" vs "unspecialized". It better describes what it actually means.
OK what do you propose we call it when there is a job that literally requires prior experience or certifications vs a job that doesn’t?
Any job can be regulated.
In Texas, cosmetology students must complete a minimum of 1,000 hours of instruction at an accredited beauty school to become licensed.
In Oregon, no such license is required.
Does this mean a cosmetologist's status as "skilled worker" evaporates upon stepping off a plane from Houston to Portland?
Because you cannot tell me that it’s OK to hire anyone and teach them brain surgery on the job.
That's exactly what professional hospital surgeries do. They identify candidates for hire and train them with their veteran staff.
Nobody is born knowing brain surgery. Nobody is born with a number of successful surgeries under their belts. Everyone starts from square one.
What makes brain surgery different from HVAC repair isn't skill, its liability. If you fuck up a unit then you've caused a few hundred dollars in damage. If you fuck up a brain, you kill someone.
But they both require skill and experience to do reliably and efficiently.
And framing labor this way totally disregars the time commitment. Which should be a thriving wage for any hob that requires 40hrs/week
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That's not true though. I am a skilled machine operator, and I was hired with zero experience and trained on the job because there just aren't enough trained operators locally available in my industry.
So installing HVAC systems is unskilled work? I didn't have any prior experience or education when I got a job doing that.
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Ah ... It might mean that, but for many rich bosses it means "a job that pays less" and that's all.
Hey now, don't buy management long
Well, there's Amazon packing, where they recently sent me three cards in an A3 by 4" box. Ain't no way you could call that "skilled".
Calling any labor unskilled is fraternizing with the weapons of the enemy, we don't need it. Our greatest weapon is class consciousness and worker solidarity.
It never made sense to me. You spent 1 hour of your 24 hours a day doing something you would not do for fun. Your 1 hour is just as long as my 1 hour. Both of us sacrifice the same amount of free time out of our lives doing something we'd rather not do. Why should we be paid differently?
If anything, the higher ranking the job, the more it allows for chatting with colleagues, going out for lunch, taking coffee breaks. You get much more "fun time" than labor intense workers do. Shouldn't you be paid less? There is an added benefit in your job to begin with. The luxury of being able to sit and get coffee when you want to is already quite a blast tbh.
True and, the inverse is the soul crushing monotony of the minimum wage job.
I think the ones that should be compensated more are those that society really can't run without AND, are largely undesirable even with adequate compensation.
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In my experience only 20% of baristas are in fact skilled.
If 80% of the baristas were on paid leave for severe burns I don't think those companies would still be open.
Retail and hospitality workers have to have a number of skill sets just to keep from being fired day 1.
The number of people who refuse/can't work a POS system and complain that people who can are unskilled is always a comical thing.
Most anyone I've met who calls any job unskilled is an idiot who thinks to highly of themselves.
Then again many people think support positions aren't as important, and I tend to believe every position is a support position. Doctors support construction workers who support lawyers who support baristas who support salespeople who support hospitality who support entertainment who support plumbers who support IT members who support accountants who support banks who supports....
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